Great Community Btw

[SturmChurro]

Not what I said.
Im saying the Experience being online and playing the game, are different from the FFXIV Forums. There is a difference.

And nah, there are plenty of people who arnt afraid to speak their mind. These people are typically the High-End Raiders though.
I only ever really see them when running that level of content. But every so often they are in the Open world, in dungeons, Raids, and in Trials. Even the PF.
So its not like they dont exist, or they are "Afraid"

The forums aren't even really "toxic". People are rightfully upset, about a modicum of issues recently. These are the official forums; somewhere to attempt to post feedback to the devs. A few troll threads by a couple people, aside. It's all completely understandable.

The thing a lot of people here confuse is what "toxicity" really is.

[IdowhatIwant]

Not what I said.
Im saying the Experience being online and playing the game, are different from the FFXIV Forums. There is a difference.

And nah, there are plenty of people who arnt afraid to speak their mind. These people are typically the High-End Raiders though.
I only ever really see them when running that level of content. But every so often they are in the Open world, in dungeons, Raids, and in Trials. Even the PF.
So its not like they dont exist, or they are "Afraid"

I will usually speak my mind in game and risk a ban. I am sorry but if you are level 90 and you can't run a dungeon and do this crap right, that needs to be called out. How do you spend like 400 - 500 hours playing a game an not know how to play the game still. I am not even talking about being optimized either people get to level 90 and cannot play this game at a basic level. Sure you can blame lack of difficulty curve, or the devs for not teach you, but the finger you should be pointing is at yourselves. I just can't comprehend doing something for 500+ hours and not improving and understanding.

You can try to say its the high end raiders that do this, but it's not just them. Normal people that want to just play the damn game get annoyed by that crap too.

[SturmChurro]

I will usually speak my mind in game and risk a ban. I am sorry but if you are level 90 and you can't run a dungeon and do this crap right, that needs to be called out. How do you spend like 400 - 500 hours playing a game an not know how to play the game still. I am not even talking about being optimized either people get to level 90 and cannot play this game at a basic level. Sure you can blame lack of difficulty curve, or the devs for not teach you, but the finger you should be pointing is at yourselves. I just can't comprehend doing something for 500+ hours and not improving and understanding.

They choose not to 'improve' that's why. They want to play the game their way, and if someone tries to question that, that's a report.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I will usually speak my mind in game and risk a ban. I am sorry but if you are level 90 and you can't run a dungeon and do this crap right, that needs to be called out. How do you spend like 400 - 500 hours playing a game an not know how to play the game still. I am not even talking about being optimized either people get to level 90 and cannot play this game at a basic level. Sure you can blame lack of difficulty curve, or the devs for not teach you, but the finger you should be pointing is at yourselves. I just can't comprehend doing something for 500+ hours and not improving and understanding.

You can try to say its the high end raiders that do this, but it's not just them. Normal people that want to just play the damn game get annoyed by that crap too.

.....its a good thing I mentioned in my Post ""every so often they are in the Open world, in dungeons, Raids, and in Trials. Even the PF.
So its not like they dont exist, or they are "Afraid""" so...yeah its not Just the High-End Raiders like I said lmao.

If there are people with 400-500hours that dont know how to platy the game..odds are it might be someone on someones else's account. That or even the person may not have played the game in a while. You may say No Excuse...but the person just might have one.

[Kolsykol]

I think that the problem is that people actually enjoy being upset about things, it goes beyond FFXIV too you can see it everywhere outrage culture is a very real thing and I think a lot of people don't even realize they're a part of it.
That said millions of people play the game, a handful of the same people going out of their way to be upset about something at all times is ultimately irrelevant.

It's the same names all the time, having the same negative circlejerk and having the absolute least charitable takes imaginable about the devs every single time.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I think that the problem is that people actually enjoy being upset about things, it goes beyond FFXIV too you can see it everywhere outrage culture is a very real thing and I think a lot of people don't even realize they're a part of it.
That said millions of people play the game, a handful of the same people going out of their way to be upset about something at all times is ultimately irrelevant.

It's the same names all the time, having the same negative circlejerk and having the absolute least charitable takes imaginable about the devs every single time.

[Ranaku]

Honestly, I think we all just need to take a step back and look at ourselves beyond the clown makeup.

This community has been getting so toxic lately. We can argue, complain and moan about the stuff thats been happening lately but frankly I think we all just need to take a break from FFXIV and ourselves and go do other things.

You need to pay a certain construct in a certain lighthouse a visit. Since your math is really off.

But just to explain it to you...really slooooooowly:

The entire forums + all the people reporting streamers and whatever happens atm =/= the community.

But this is a common fallacy, you see it in streamers/youtubers too. "I got a death threat this community is so awful and toxic." I hope i don't have to explain why this kind of pigeonholing is a fallacy, you see a tiny fraction of a community doing bad stuff and thus you think the whole community is bad for whatever reason. Meanwhile the overwhelming amount of the community neither cares about this drama nor about you and the forums and just play the game.

But to give another example of how bad this kind of point of view actually is. Your conclusion is the same as saying "Oh america has so much gun violence, therefore all americans are violent lunatics." This is obviously not true, you just project a very loud minority of a certain group of people as the leading example of said group. We can put you also in such a conclusion btw., you are posting such takes on the forums thereby you have to be a troll. And maybe you are one, maybe you are not but i bet you would say you are not a troll. Which would mean you found a better conclusion than the one you had before.

[Reap00]

Honestly, I think we all just need to take a step back and look at ourselves beyond the clown makeup.

This community has been getting so toxic lately. We can argue, complain and moan about the stuff thats been happening lately but frankly I think we all just need to take a break from FFXIV and ourselves and go do other things.

This small forum community is not a representation of the ffxiv community as a whole. This forum is a haven for trolling and complaining.

[Shadowshinra]

This small forum community is not a representation of the ffxiv community as a whole. This forum is a haven for trolling and complaining.

And yet people wonder why the ENG community don't get responses from the devs and community team.. it's hilarious really.

[Reap00]

And yet people wonder why the ENG community don't get responses from the devs and community team.. it's hilarious really.

Is there anything in this forum worth a response? It is a lot of complaining and trolling. They probably have better things to do with their time.