the mod/addon is getting out of hand and is spreading to other platforms JUST STOP!!

[Zaene]

If in any PF anywhere in the game, someone even without saying so, requires any add-on at any point it becomes a problem that everyone has to deal with. For example, if players who otherwise wouldn't know their left from their right required these add-ons to be able to clear content, it means, LOGICALLY, that someone who wants to actually LEARN the content has an automatic and disqualifying handicap. This is the crux of the problem of add-ons.

If Billy can clear content only because his add-on tells him what to do(taking less time to do so), and Jack wants to learn by trial and error(you know, like how the game is designed), any "raid leader" would be logically obligated to prefer all Billys.

[MilkieTea]

Literally all most?
You're obviously being intentionally obtuse here. There is such a thing as 'cactbot' which can bend your ping to your will, something that people who have categorically sworn off all mobs can not do. Do you think that doesn't provide any benefit for savage raiders?(see people who care very, very deeply about ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶d̶a̶m̶a̶g̶e̶ scores on some websites)

The /truth/ is as follows: People are upset that they have been breaking the rules with impunity and suddenly they face(what they knew all along) that their actions have consequences. Now we reach a turning point, knowing that they are acting out of step with the rules established for the game, will people decide to stop using add-ons, or will they create parallel excuses for why they particularly actually deserve to use add-ons. -I mean they can't tell I'm using them. -Who are they to tell ME what I can do?!-

This is incorrect, if you look at cactbot's github page all it does is provide automated, user-inputted callouts from a timeline of events. The argument could be had that, as it is automated it is much faster than someone doing callouts verbally in a discord call, however having seen someone stream with both cactbot and discord calls it's not nearly as fast as the automation may make it seem, and is sometimes slower than verbal callouts.

What you are thinking of is XIVAlexander, which reduces animation lock to aid those with high ping - out of the box it cannot reduce ping to inhuman levels, and it can only do that with massive amounts of tampering to the program.

However, I'd argue that the effect of XIVAlexander is similar to that of using a VPN - so are you saying those who use VPNs are using mods? "Sucks for you, move countries"?

If you're going to argue against mods, at least know which ones do what. It's not hard to search up "cactbot ffxiv github" "XIVAlexander github". The minute you start attributing the effects of one to others, you lose all credibility because you can't be arsed to do a basic and simple google search to back up your talking points.

[Rolder50]

If in any PF anywhere in the game, someone even without saying so, requires any add-on at any point it becomes a problem that everyone has to deal with. For example, if players who otherwise wouldn't know their left from their right required these add-ons to be able to clear content, it means, LOGICALLY, that someone who wants to actually LEARN the content has an automatic and disqualifying handicap. This is the crux of the problem of add-ons.

If Billy can clear content only because his add-on tells him what to do(taking less time to do so), and Jack wants to learn by trial and error(you know, like how the game is designed), any "raid leader" would be logically obligated to prefer all Billys.

I've never seen any PF ever require an addon. And you know why? Because anyone with a fraction of a braincell knows it's a one way trip to ban town. Literally a non-problem made up to scare people.

[JanVanding]

If in any PF anywhere in the game, someone even without saying so, requires any add-on at any point it becomes a problem that everyone has to deal with. For example, if players who otherwise wouldn't know their left from their right required these add-ons to be able to clear content, it means, LOGICALLY, that someone who wants to actually LEARN the content has an automatic and disqualifying handicap. This is the crux of the problem of add-ons.

If Billy can clear content only because his add-on tells him what to do(taking less time to do so), and Jack wants to learn by trial and error(you know, like how the game is designed), any "raid leader" would be logically obligated to prefer all Billys.

Let me ask you a simple question.

Are you using an Officially licenced Square Enix Gamepad, or an officially licenced Sony Entertainment Gamepad?

maybe you're using a Wildcatz pad with extra macroable buttons or some other pad with extra features?

Because if you're using anything that isn't SE licenced, anything....

You're using a 3rd party add on.

That's how vague and poor SE's stance is.

[Zaene]

I admit I did make a mistake in equating 'cactbot' to 'XIVAlexander'. However, I would strongly challenge your assertion that 'XIVA' is similar to a VPN. Perhaps at a macro level, you could say that the end result is you do things faster. But a VPN doesn't directly interact with the game's animations essentially providing a -unique- advantage.

I call upon your metaphor. Someone using a VPN may cut their latency by 30% but someone using the aforementioned add-on could(using essentially speed hacks), achieve things in game that even someone living next door to the ffxiv server could not do. Couple that with actually good ping, and someone could be breaking the game left and right.

Additionally, I want to state my fervent desire that SE make Datacenters for countries underserved by the current ones. There's no reason that anyone should be forced to have a substandard experience simply due to the place of their birth. Especially, when we live in such a world as thing, in such times as this.

[MilkieTea]

I admit I did make a mistake in equating 'cactbot' to 'XIVAlexander'. However, I would strongly challenge your assertion that 'XIVA' is similar to a VPN. Perhaps at a macro level, you could say that the end result is you do things faster. But a VPN doesn't directly interact with the game's animations essentially providing a -unique- advantage.

I call upon your metaphor. Someone using a VPN may cut their latency by 30% but someone using the aforementioned add-on could(using essentially speed hacks), achieve things in game that even someone living next door to the ffxiv server could not do. Couple that with actually good ping, and someone could be breaking the game left and right.

Additionally, I want to state my fervent desire that SE make Datacenters for countries underserved by the current ones. There's no reason that anyone should be forced to have a substandard experience simply due to the place of their birth. Especially, when we live in such a world as thing, in such times as this.

The only way one could do such a thing would be to tamper with the program in such a way that the program developers did not intend. Out of the box, the only difference between XIVAlexander and a VPN is the way they provide their services - XIVA by reducing animation lock and VPNs (or tunnelers to get more specific) by changing which nodes your internet travels through.

[Rolder50]

I call upon your metaphor. Someone using a VPN may cut their latency by 30% but someone using the aforementioned add-on could(using essentially speed hacks), achieve things in game that even someone living next door to the ffxiv server could not do. Couple that with actually good ping, and someone could be breaking the game left and right.

The tool's functionality does not change in that way based on your ping. It sets you to a specific value no matter if your ping is 50 or 500. In no way can it be used as speed hacks or to effect your actual GCD or cooldowns.

[MilkieTea]

The tool's functionality does not change in that way based on your ping. It sets you to a specific value no matter if your ping is 50 or 500. In no way can it be used as speed hacks or to effect your actual GCD or cooldowns.

I question whether or not the people who are against such tools have had an actual look at what the tools do, versus just simply hearing thirdhand off of someone who heard it from someone else who heard from someone who glanced at a reddit thread about it once.

[Zaene]

Many people in this thread(forum) are engaging in the logical fallacy referred to as the overgeneralization (also known as the hasty generalization)fallacy.
An example of this fallacy is as follows: Me Mum ain't want me to eat snacks before dinner, well then she must not want me to eat at all.
It's often used as willful ignorance of a larger concept(perhaps one many people would understand if they wanted/needed to). There is an argument to be made for a difference of impact of various add-ons, however, I put forth that once an add-on was made that could fundamentally modify animations, the well was poisoned beyond recovery.

[JudgeRAW]

There's a notable difference between fanart, and using the game itself for the pictures. Especially since the later needs you to mod the game.

People pull models from the game and lewd them til their hearts desire. People do that in other games as well. Its one of those things that you're never going to get rid of no matter how hard you try.