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    Player
    JudgeRAW's Avatar
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    Bladelord Rictr
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    Famfrit
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaene View Post
    Literally all most?
    You're obviously being intentionally obtuse here. There is such a thing as 'cactbot' which can bend your ping to your will, something that people who have categorically sworn off all mobs can not do. Do you think that doesn't provide any benefit for savage raiders?(see people who care very, very deeply about ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶d̶a̶m̶a̶g̶e̶ scores on some websites)

    The /truth/ is as follows: People are upset that they have been breaking the rules with impunity and suddenly they face(what they knew all along) that their actions have consequences. Now we reach a turning point, knowing that they are acting out of step with the rules established for the game, will people decide to stop using add-ons, or will they create parallel excuses for why they particularly actually deserve to use add-ons. -I mean they can't tell I'm using them. -Who are they to tell ME what I can do?!-
    Did you read the rest of my statement which included mention of programs like Cactbot which provide automated callouts. But as I said before none of those have any sort of impact on another player's experience with the game, so why does anyone care what another player is doing?
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    Zaene's Avatar
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    Liara Lothaire
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    Tonberry
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    Monk Lv 90
    If in any PF anywhere in the game, someone even without saying so, requires any add-on at any point it becomes a problem that everyone has to deal with. For example, if players who otherwise wouldn't know their left from their right required these add-ons to be able to clear content, it means, LOGICALLY, that someone who wants to actually LEARN the content has an automatic and disqualifying handicap. This is the crux of the problem of add-ons.

    If Billy can clear content only because his add-on tells him what to do(taking less time to do so), and Jack wants to learn by trial and error(you know, like how the game is designed), any "raid leader" would be logically obligated to prefer all Billys.
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaene View Post
    If in any PF anywhere in the game, someone even without saying so, requires any add-on at any point it becomes a problem that everyone has to deal with. For example, if players who otherwise wouldn't know their left from their right required these add-ons to be able to clear content, it means, LOGICALLY, that someone who wants to actually LEARN the content has an automatic and disqualifying handicap. This is the crux of the problem of add-ons.

    If Billy can clear content only because his add-on tells him what to do(taking less time to do so), and Jack wants to learn by trial and error(you know, like how the game is designed), any "raid leader" would be logically obligated to prefer all Billys.
    I've never seen any PF ever require an addon. And you know why? Because anyone with a fraction of a braincell knows it's a one way trip to ban town. Literally a non-problem made up to scare people.
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    Zaene's Avatar
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    Liara Lothaire
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    Tonberry
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I've never seen any PF ever require an addon. And you know why? Because anyone with a fraction of a braincell knows it's a one way trip to ban town. Literally a non-problem made up to scare people.
    I'd like to point to my previous post wherein I say "even without saying so" because as you mentioned, mentioning the no-no things gets you sent to no-no land. That is what is even MORE insidious. Because you can't talk about them, it because an invisible problem.

    A completely innocent person, trying their best to complete content joins a group where everyone is using the add-on, they can't talk about them, but they see that the person doesn't have the add-on, thus is at a disadvantage and they are robbed of the ability to try their best to clear the content. A situation where what you don't know does hurt you.
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    Player JanVanding's Avatar
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    Edie Ul'mehdi
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    Siren
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaene View Post
    If in any PF anywhere in the game, someone even without saying so, requires any add-on at any point it becomes a problem that everyone has to deal with. For example, if players who otherwise wouldn't know their left from their right required these add-ons to be able to clear content, it means, LOGICALLY, that someone who wants to actually LEARN the content has an automatic and disqualifying handicap. This is the crux of the problem of add-ons.

    If Billy can clear content only because his add-on tells him what to do(taking less time to do so), and Jack wants to learn by trial and error(you know, like how the game is designed), any "raid leader" would be logically obligated to prefer all Billys.
    Let me ask you a simple question.

    Are you using an Officially licenced Square Enix Gamepad, or an officially licenced Sony Entertainment Gamepad?

    maybe you're using a Wildcatz pad with extra macroable buttons or some other pad with extra features?

    Because if you're using anything that isn't SE licenced, anything....

    You're using a 3rd party add on.

    That's how vague and poor SE's stance is.
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