Is using gaming software really not allowed anymore?

[UNDEAD10000]

After reading this Final Fantasy XIV Regarding Third-party Tools news post about Third-party Tools, if i did read correctly the "Defining Third Party Tools" part of the post.

Does it really mean that i can't use gaming software like Logitech G Hub to bind CTRL + [number] key press for my Logitech G600 MMO mouse G buttons and Corsair iCUE to bind Alt + [number] key press for my Corsair K95 keyboard G keys to able to press CTRL + [number] and Alt + [number] more easily without needing to look the keyboard to press right CTRL + [number] or Alt + [number] key combination all the time?

If it really means that, then i'm i really in trouble now for using them for while?


Edit:

I have decided not to take any risks anymore so i won't use any of gaming softwares that would allow usage of their programmable G buttons as keypress like CTRL or Alt + [number], i won't use Steam and Nvidia GeForce Experiense any of their in-game features, i won't use Steam own controller configuration to set PS4 controller thumbstick deadzones,calibrate gyroscope, customize lightbar, remap buttons and able to use touchpad as mouse and i won't use any software that comes with controllers either.

So now i only use PS4 controller connected via USB cable and using Windows 10 own default contoller plug & play drivers and i use gaming keyboard only for typing to chat.

[Risvertasashi]

After reading this Final Fantasy XIV Regarding Third-party Tools news post about Third-party Tools, if i did read correctly the "Defining Third Party Tools" part of the post.

Does it really mean that i can't use gaming software like Logitech G Hub to bind CTRL + [number] key press for my Logitech G600 MMO mouse G buttons and Corsair iCUE to bind Alt + [number] key press for my Corsair K95 G keys to able to press CTRL + [number] and Alt + [number] more easily without needing to always to look the keyboard to press right CTRL + [number] or Alt + [number] key combination?

If it really means that, then i'm i really in trouble now for using them for while?

This is, funnily enough, one area where Square is not unique. Using the logitech gaming software - or the equivalent from any other manufacturer of keyboards and mice - is a violation of pretty much any online game's TOS. Blizzard, Riot, Valve, etc could all issue a permanent suspension for the use of that software, and Blizzard's a bit infamous for actually having done so.

Of course, since it's packages with the hardware, you don't get a ban just for having it. What they don't want you doing typically is "Pushing 1 key sends 5 key presses" or "This macro auto repeats while I'm AFK" and so on. And even then, enforcement is typically low to nonexistent if it isn't super blatant. But on the books, it's typically against the rules.

Also, from SE's website:

■Behavior that disrupts the game balance
Square Enix strictly prohibits the use of third-party programs or tools as these disrupt the balance of the game. Third-party programs and tools that permit automated or "absentee" play are prohibited. A Game Master (GM) may speak to players to investigate and confirm "absentee" play, and if the player continues with this behavior, contrary to the GM's instructions, they will be treated as participating in "absentee" play and subject to penalties.

Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data.
- Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game.

Sadly, this tends to be a bit more reasonable than the Lodestone posts and live letters, which typically suggest a stricter stance than what's on SE's support website. But one could interpret this to mean it is ok as long as 1. It doesn't allow unattended play and 2. It does not interact with the game.

[Bunnycake]

This is, funnily enough, one area where Square is not unique. Using the logitech gaming software - or the equivalent from any other manufacturer of keyboards and mice - is a violation of pretty much any online game's TOS. Blizzard, Riot, Valve, etc could all issue a permanent suspension for the use of that software, and Blizzard's a bit infamous for actually having done so.

Of course, since it's packages with the hardware, you don't get a ban just for having it. What they don't want you doing typically is "Pushing 1 key sends 5 key presses" or "This macro auto repeats while I'm AFK" and so on. And even then, enforcement is typically low to nonexistent if it isn't super blatant. But on the books, it's typically against the rules.

Also, from SE's website:


Sadly, this tends to be a bit more reasonable than the Lodestone posts and live letters, which typically suggest a stricter stance than what's on SE's support website. But one could interpret this to mean it is ok as long as 1. It doesn't allow unattended play and 2. It does not interact with the game.

[gotaname1]

yep. absolutely banned because ps players can't use those things. Thank you for spending money and wasting your time on my product!!! ~ Yoshi P

[Canadane]

yep. absolutely banned because ps players can't use those things. Thank you for spending money and wasting your time on my product!!! ~ Yoshi P

Playstation users can in fact use the g600 mouse and most keyboards.

[gotaname1]

Playstation users can in fact use the g600 mouse and most keyboards.

But its third party. So okay, it is hardware and not software even if there might be software involved in order to instal it on a playstation. But it still is not something that comes with the game, or even a playstation. Therefor it gives those users an advantage over playstation players. So it is literally cheating.

amidoinitrite?

EDIT: I hate that we, as players of the game, are so easily divided, purely because SE just can't get their ToS clear. The Japanese culture that condones and rewards doxing really does not help.

[Gyson]

But its third party. So okay, it is hardware and not software even if there might be software involved in order to instal it on a playstation. But it still is not something that comes with the game, or even a playstation. Therefor it gives those users an advantage over playstation players. So it is literally cheating.

amidoinitrite?

EDIT: I hate that we, as players of the game, are so easily divided, purely because SE just can't get their ToS clear. The Japanese culture that condones and rewards doxing really does not help.

As far as rules go I feel like the ToS is pretty clear, but some people are just determined to see what they can get away with. Sort of like when we were little children, and a parent told us not to do something, and we took their statement as a suggestion rather than as the order it was intended to be.

I look at the forum and think people have traded in common sense for drama. This thread is just one example of many. I remind myself that most players are blissfully unaware of them, as only a tiny percentage of players make use of the forums.

[Canadane]

But its third party. So okay, it is hardware and not software even if there might be software involved in order to instal it on a playstation. But it still is not something that comes with the game, or even a playstation. Therefor it gives those users an advantage over playstation players. So it is literally cheating.

amidoinitrite?

EDIT: I hate that we, as players of the game, are so easily divided, purely because SE just can't get their ToS clear. The Japanese culture that condones and rewards doxing really does not help.

Breakfast gives an unfair advantage over those that don't eat properly, right?

I hope I don't need to go into further detail than that.

Also, as divided as people are, I have nothing personal against anyone. <3

[Vahlnir]

Breakfast gives an unfair advantage over those that don't eat properly, right?

What about second breakfast?

[Kolsykol]

But its third party. So okay, it is hardware and not software even if there might be software involved in order to instal it on a playstation. But it still is not something that comes with the game, or even a playstation. Therefor it gives those users an advantage over playstation players. So it is literally cheating.

amidoinitrite?

EDIT: I hate that we, as players of the game, are so easily divided, purely because SE just can't get their ToS clear. The Japanese culture that condones and rewards doxing really does not help.

Dude this is how ToS works...........................
Have you never read a ToS in your life before ( wait, most people don't )?
ToS are rarely as ultra specific as people seem to think they always cast a wide net so that if they choose to act they can just point to it.
When you start getting too specific it also enters realms of absurdity and people will find ways around it to do things that are meant to not be okay just because it's not specifically mentioned.
If you're too specific then people will take it as an okay to go ahead and do things that weren't specifically mentioned even tho they're obviously not okay.

No one above the age of 9 uses the same mindset people are displaying on this forum in regards to this.
In real life people understand what is being implied and can use some common sense but suddenly online people act like SE is their parent and they think they're clever because they extrapolated the most absurd interpretation out of something that they said.

The crafting window in 2.0 use to work a little different. With the macro you could craft unlimited with one macro. Just like a bot would. Some people "claim" that they got punished for that. The window no longer works that way.



People A) need to relax and B) think a little. How many bans have actually been reported? I don't really watch streamers, but I thought they knew not to have stuff all over there screen. At least the few I have seen weren't showing anything. No one knows what type of weird thing you have on your PC. I do find the player card bans a little strange considering those were made completely in game without mods.

Some of the bans are funnily enough for something that is specifically mentioned as not allowed, which is advertising the use of them.
But then people conveniently ignore that.