Third party tools are a game design failing in a multi-platform game

[Kazimere]

Except... they DO. If they're advertising the game on multiple platforms for the same price then they need to ensure that the experience is as similar as possible. That means making it against the rules for certain mods/plugins. It's never going to be even but that's not an excuse to allow the console experience to degrade into unplayability. It forces them to do what they said they were going to do, the tools/QoL plugins that are deemed "necessary" are being integrated to keep the gap between console and PC experience small.

Why else do you think they have such a blanket statement about third party tools? It's not because they care about people increasing the font of their ability cooldown timer. It's because console doesn't have access to that and they need to keep the experience as equal as possible.

Bitching about something as minuscule as font size as a justification to not have add-ones is just pathetic. How does something like that give a PC player an advantage? Maybe just ask for it to be integrated into the stock game without crying that PC players should be banned? You people cut off your noses to spite your faces ALL THE TIME.

[MiaShino]

Most amusing that all of this begins occurring after the new Ultimate appears and world first groups/others begin clearing.

Estimated projections by Yoshi P and the team for casual player was 4+ months. Am assuming he believed it might take two plus weeks to clear for world first groups. It was vanquished in six days. My uncle believes the developers themselves may be somewhat of the salty about this. He mentioned how he will work for months on good puzzles as a DM only for players to rip them apart in five minutes. If he allowed this to bother him that would be stoopid.

See this with Starcraft/Overwatch/CSGO professionals all the fricken time. "They are cheating!", "Ban them!". No these players are just that good, deal with it.

Have seen streams take eleven or more days with addons installed. Have seen streams without addons take same amount of time. People here and on JP should get over themselves. The sooner you accept that there are others out there who really really are better then you and learn to live with this the happier you shall be.

[anhaato]

Most amusing that all of this begins occurring after the new Ultimate appears and world first groups/others begin clearing.

Estimated projections by Yoshi P and the team for casual player was 4+ months. Am assuming he believed it might take two plus weeks to clear for world first groups. It was vanquished in six days. My uncle believes the developers themselves may be somewhat of the salty about this. He mentioned how he will work for months on good puzzles as a DM only for players to rip them apart in five minutes. If he allowed this to bother him that would be stoopid.

See this with Starcraft/Overwatch/CSGO professionals all the fricken time. "They are cheating!", "Ban them!". No these players are just that good, deal with it.

Have seen streams take eleven or more days with addons installed. Have seen streams without addons take same amount of time. People here and on JP should get over themselves. The sooner you accept that there are others out there who really really are better then you and learn to live with this the happier you shall be.

The way people speak about addons, even the typical stuff like ACT, you’d think they were playing the game for them. It’s like “digital art isn’t real art because the computer just draws stuff for you” but for a game.

[MiaShino]

The way people speak about addons, even the typical stuff like ACT, you’d think they were playing the game for them. It’s like “digital art isn’t real art because the computer just draws stuff for you” but for a game.

Had no idea stuffs like Cactbot even existed (or most of the things I hath seen) because am not as much mmo vet as others I know. Even if automated tool were to call out East/West towers the player would not only require understanding of what this means, but poses skill to react to the callout.

So yup yup! Someone had to program and discover algorithm to produce that digital art much like someone was required to learn those mechanics before they can be shot called. Seeing your damage numbers or listening to your team shot caller doing their thing does not make you suddenly able to resolve mechanics.

Hearing "Stack on orbs" will not make you any more capable of making the quick movements necessary for the twin dragons phase. Even identifying that beginning on first set of orbs might be optimal takes problem solving skills. Cactbot/ACT/Etc will not solve this for you until it is provided with the solution. A player devised that solution and those players are incredibly skilled problem solvers.

You could erase all of these tools from existence before next Ultimate and world first prog groups would still be world first because they really are that fricken good. This is why they are above average and welp, we are not. Someone must be average for the above average to exist and that is as friends have told me before; "A tough pill to swallow."

[KariTheFox]

The only time I can recall "harassment" due to parsing was when some random friend of a friend of mine, who was actually a very casual player basically said "lol you all got carried" to a group that had half thier members clearing Zodiark EX for the first time.

And this was like, the first week of Endwalker too.

[JudgeRAW]

Its crazy to me that there are people in this thread attacking WoW's privacy settings when just recently Yoshida said he didn't want to "hurt people's feelings" by having them forcibly remove another person from their friends list or having their marriage ring become unusable. The issues with stalking and harassment in this game have been brought up time and again and people just brush it off likes it not a big deal. Really? Thats the hill people want to die on? As for the argument about parsers leading to bullying and harassment the ToS itself deals with that, regardless of context. You can't do it, if you do you get banned regardless if its because of parsing or some other reason. I've never even heard of someone other than some streamers doing it even though a large portion of the community definitely uses parsers, especially in raid content. Not to mention that a lot of people want to play the game at the highest level possible because they want to be the best. And there is nothing wrong with that. Parsers give them a reference point for improving their gameplay if its needed. Thats it.

Also, UI mods have absolutely no impact on another person's game, at all period. So why does anyone care that another person is using them? If everyone was forced to have the same experience regardless of platform this game would be DEAD on PC(and probably in general) because we'd have been stuck with PS3 level performance. Its a ridiculous argument.

[SwingLifeAway]

So why does anyone care that another person is using them? If everyone was forced to have the same experience regardless of platform this game would be DEAD on PC(and probably in general) because we'd have been stuck with PS3 level performance. Its a ridiculous argument.

Because they don't actually really care about the health of the game, even if they'd like to pretend and try and argue that they do. It is 100% just out of spite, envy, and insecurity.

[Jaquan]

Because they don't actually really care about the health of the game, even if they'd like to pretend and try and argue that they do. It is 100% just out of spite, envy, and insecurity.

Got a wonderful idea then. Let's separate the servers. Console players are separate and we are separate. It will lower the amount of worlds we can play on obviously since SE isn't able to magically spawn them.

Or better yet since console players are obviously getting inferior experience due to their inferior hardware they shouldn't pay the same amount as we do right?

/S

[SwingLifeAway]

Got a wonderful idea then. Let's separate the servers. Console players are separate and we are separate. It will lower the amount of worlds we can play on obviously since SE isn't able to magically spawn them.

Or better yet since console players are obviously getting inferior experience due to their inferior hardware they shouldn't pay the same amount as we do right?

/S

Except that there's no reason to do this because the vast majority of players are happy with knowing they can't use mods on console, and most of them probably don't even really know they exist. The ones that do for the most part don't care, because at worst it has no impact on them and at best it benefits them as well. You think console players in statics want half their static to get banned just for using ACT and fflogs? Get real. The demographic you see complaining are just people trying spite others for having things they can't. There is genuinely no other basis for it, citing Square Enix business model and a bunch of other nonsense is just a convenient vehicle used to validate their point and then be forgotten later when it suits them.

You're making arguments based on extreme situations with 0 knowledge or understanding, in order to create a negative impact on a relatively small demographic that you are not a part of, because you think you have some kind of moral superiority.

The reality is you're just actively going to make the game worse for that group of people, and arguably others, but you're trying to justify your hate crusade against them with this irrational nonsense. Even if the ToS doesn't change, mods will always be part of the game, people will parse, and if you're bad at the game people will know. Cope and seethe.