Third party tools are a game design failing in a multi-platform game

[Jaquan]

Because they don't actually really care about the health of the game, even if they'd like to pretend and try and argue that they do. It is 100% just out of spite, envy, and insecurity.

Got a wonderful idea then. Let's separate the servers. Console players are separate and we are separate. It will lower the amount of worlds we can play on obviously since SE isn't able to magically spawn them.

Or better yet since console players are obviously getting inferior experience due to their inferior hardware they shouldn't pay the same amount as we do right?

/S

[SwingLifeAway]

Got a wonderful idea then. Let's separate the servers. Console players are separate and we are separate. It will lower the amount of worlds we can play on obviously since SE isn't able to magically spawn them.

Or better yet since console players are obviously getting inferior experience due to their inferior hardware they shouldn't pay the same amount as we do right?

/S

Except that there's no reason to do this because the vast majority of players are happy with knowing they can't use mods on console, and most of them probably don't even really know they exist. The ones that do for the most part don't care, because at worst it has no impact on them and at best it benefits them as well. You think console players in statics want half their static to get banned just for using ACT and fflogs? Get real. The demographic you see complaining are just people trying spite others for having things they can't. There is genuinely no other basis for it, citing Square Enix business model and a bunch of other nonsense is just a convenient vehicle used to validate their point and then be forgotten later when it suits them.

You're making arguments based on extreme situations with 0 knowledge or understanding, in order to create a negative impact on a relatively small demographic that you are not a part of, because you think you have some kind of moral superiority.

The reality is you're just actively going to make the game worse for that group of people, and arguably others, but you're trying to justify your hate crusade against them with this irrational nonsense. Even if the ToS doesn't change, mods will always be part of the game, people will parse, and if you're bad at the game people will know. Cope and seethe.

[Jaquan]

Except that there's no reason to do this because the vast majority of players are happy with knowing they can't use mods on console, and most of them probably don't even really know they exist. The ones that do for the most part don't care, because at worst it has no impact on them and at best it benefits them as well. You think console players in statics want half their static to get banned just for using ACT and fflogs? Get real. The demographic you see complaining are just people trying spite others for having things they can't. There is genuinely no other basis for it, citing Square Enix business model and a bunch of other nonsense is just a convenient vehicle used to validate their point and then be forgotten later when it suits them.

You're making arguments based on extreme situations with 0 knowledge or understanding, in order to create a negative impact on a relatively small demographic that you are not a part of, because you think you have some kind of moral superiority.

The reality is you're just actively going to make the game worse for that group of people, and arguably others, but you're trying to justify your hate crusade against them with this irrational nonsense. Even if the ToS doesn't change, mods will always be part of the game, people will parse, and if you're bad at the game people will know. Cope and seethe.

I thought the big "/S" was telling enough. Next time I'll go with "**SARCASTIC REMARK FROM NOW ON**" although it may not be enough.

In all seriousness though since the game is sold for the same price, with the same subscription costs to both Console Players and PC players and because we're not separated SE has a level of obligation to keep those experiences similar. This is why they can't and won't loosen up the ToS on add-ons. That's not to say they don't want any changes. Otherwise they wouldn't so openly declare their intent to look at UI mods to figure out which features community wants implemented.

[SwingLifeAway]

I thought the big "/S" was telling enough. Next time I'll go with "**SARCASTIC REMARK FROM NOW ON**" although it may not be enough.

In all seriousness though since the game is sold for the same price, with the same subscription costs to both Console Players and PC players and because we're not separated SE has a level of obligation to keep those experiences similar. This is why they can't and won't loosen up the ToS on add-ons. That's not to say they don't want any changes. Otherwise they wouldn't so openly declare their intent to look at UI mods to figure out which features community wants implemented.

They have an obligation to deliver the same product, which they do. Third party addons are not part of that product or that experience. They are managed by the end user at their own risk.

How is it so difficult to understand this?

[Jaquan]

They have an obligation to deliver the same product, which they do. Third party addons are not part of that product or that experience. They are managed by the end user at their own risk.

How is it so difficult to understand this?

Judging by amount of topics that boil down to "ToS stance on mods is dumb, allow us to use them risk free" I'd say very.

[SwingLifeAway]

Judging by amount of topics that boil down to "ToS stance on mods is dumb, allow us to use them risk free" I'd say very.

So your take is basically that criticism of the ToS is bad? Or is it just because it's criticism that you personally disapprove of?

[Jaquan]

So your take is basically that criticism of the ToS is bad? Or is it just because it's criticism that you personally disapprove of?

Please refrain from putting words into my mouth if you could.

I do realize it's flawed but I also realize this - The moment SE allows the mods to be used within ToS or gets to curate them they'll become a feature. Feature only portion of their players can use.