Third party tools are a game design failing in a multi-platform game

[SwingLifeAway]

I would argue that the ones who would use parsing solely as a personal improvement tool are the exception, not the rule.

And you'd be arguing from a position of no understanding, and in extremely bad faith, much like the rest of the arguments in this thread and on this forum. Do you do difficult endgame content? Judging by your statement, I do not believe that you do.

The vast majority of people I have raided with that use parsers, never talk about them in game, and never harass anyone because they're not stupid and they know it's bad behavior that will get them banned, as it should. I've been playing this game since 2017 and I've never seen anyone get harassed over DPS in matched content, ever. Granted that my experience is not reflective of the entire community, but neither is yours, and neither is your analogy.

Also worth saying that nobody is trying to argue that harassing people over metrics is okay, so not sure why you're even using it as an argument to be honest.

[Darthgummibear]

And you'd be arguing from a position of no understanding, and in extremely bad faith, much like the rest of the arguments in this thread and on this forum. Do you do difficult endgame content? Judging by your statement, I do not believe that you do.

The vast majority of people I have raided with that use parsers, never talk about them in game, and never harass anyone because they're not stupid and they know it's bad behavior that will get them banned, as it should. I've been playing this game since 2017 and I've never seen anyone get harassed over DPS in matched content, ever. Granted that my experience is not reflective of the entire community, but neither is yours, and neither is your analogy.

Also worth saying that nobody is trying to argue that harassing people over metrics is okay, so not sure why you're even using it as an argument to be honest.

Translation: You don't agree with me, so you're wrong.

[SwingLifeAway]

Translation: You don't agree with me, so you're wrong.

Translation: "I don't have a follow-up argument because I don't have any idea what I'm talking about, so I'm just going to discredit you with a non-sequitur and live on in my ignorant bubble."

If you don't do the content, stay in your casual lane and mind your own damn business instead of projecting your insecurity into discussions on things you have no experience with.

[Sebazy]

Translation: You don't agree with me, so you're wrong.

The thing is, he isn't wrong.

I've been a member of multiple hardcore FCs with World and EU firsts since this game launched. The only bans within the FC that I can remember are forum bans for discussing optimisation and so forth (such as my 1000 DPS SCH dungeon guide in HW).

Outside of my FCs? The only ban that immediate springs to mind was the organiser of a lot of sales runs back in ARR and HW. What did he get banned for? Asking to be kicked from a dungeon so he could go sort a sale. Probably the only time he was ever genuinely polite too

Don't underestimate how many people are purely interested in their own performance and couldn't care less about what others are doing.