Third party tools are a game design failing in a multi-platform game

[VelKallor]

They should've worked on improving things like UI since long time ago.

Ui is a huge improvement on that ageing dinosaur they use in WOW

A parser isnt QOL at all..its a tool misused and abused to berate, harass and discriminate against players. Personally Id like to see parsers under a blanket ban. You dont need them to run content and people clear content w/out them easily.

[DezereDawn]

Ui is a huge improvement on that ageing dionsaur they use in WOW

Good thing that's getting a top to bottom rework in the next expansion eh?
also, while parsers aren't *TECHNICALLY* QOL, that's ignoring the other 90% of mods people use that are, basic shit like seeing what song is playing, actually usable weaving while not playing on extremely low latency, seeing debuff and buff timers etc are all shit the base game should be doing

this game's ui is disfunctional, slow, and overstylized just like WoW's, the only saving grace is that the hud can be customized, but that doesn't save the 80% of the ui that can't, and will remain inefficient until square decides to do something about it

[Curisu]

Good thing that's getting a top to bottom rework in the next expansion eh?
also, while parsers aren't *TECHNICALLY* QOL, that's ignoring the other 90% of mods people use that are, basic shit like seeing what song is playing, actually usable weaving while not playing on extremely low latency, seeing debuff and buff timers etc are all shit the base game should be doing

this game's ui is disfunctional, slow, and overstylized just like WoW's, the only saving grace is that the hud can be customized, but that doesn't save the 80% of the ui that can't, and will remain inefficient until square decides to do something about it

Millions of player's have no problem to play the game with the normal UI.
It works as intended and it includes all information's that you need to clear the hardest content.

You don't need to see your teammates cooldowns.
There is no need to see the dmg that anyone does.
And you don't need to see the name of the currently playing song.

Everything you need to see can be found in the UI.
Does it need improvements? Maybe, but that gives no one the right to complain about SE banning people for using any ingame 3rd tool.

[SwingLifeAway]

Everything you need to see can be found in the UI.
Does it need improvements? Maybe, but that gives no one the right to complain about SE banning people for using any ingame 3rd tool.

You mean, banning people for using features that they will implement later?

[Johners]

You mean, banning people for using features that they will implement later?

Except we don't know the exact UI changes they're going to make, we just know they're willing to review these plugins and make some changes. They could well implement none of the functions that they've opted to ban people for and even if they did then implement said functionality, it doesn't make it acceptable to break the terms of service now.

[SwingLifeAway]

even if they did then implement said functionality, it doesn't make it acceptable to break the terms of service now.

So just let me clarify your stance here, from a moral standpoint, you believe that they should ban someone for using something that doesn't affect anyone else at all one way or the other, but if they implement the same feature into the game, it's not hypocritical or even slightly messed up? Perhaps the TOS is flawed by having literally the most vague description of third party addons possible. It is very simple to narrow down what can and can't be used without referring to specific addons, and yet it remains entirely vague.

There are several potential resolutions to this issue, I don't see why you are insisting on one that will kill the experience for an entire demographic of the community, that you're not even a part of?

[Johners]

So just let me clarify your stance here, from a moral standpoint, you believe that they should ban someone for using something that doesn't affect anyone else at all one way or the other, but if they implement the same feature into the game, it's not hypocritical or even slightly messed up? Perhaps the TOS is flawed by having literally the most vague description of third party addons possible. It is very simple to narrow down what can and can't be used without referring to specific addons, and yet it remains entirely vague.

There are several potential resolutions to this issue, I don't see why you are insisting on one that will kill the experience for an entire demographic of the community, that you're not even a part of?

The terms of service is intentionally vague for a reason, they all are, because it gives them the freedom to do what they want. More importantly, if they explicitly list the tools you can or can't use, what happens when a tool outside of either list appears? It's actually better to have this vague terms of service than an explicit list when the quantity and quality of plugins is ever evolving. It's written in legalise and it's fundamentally Square Enix giving themselves the legal cover for any bans they may or may not give to players. If they had an explicit list of the 10 plugins you can use and the 10 you can't, numbers are arbitrary for an example, plugin 21 doesn't fit into either category when it comes along and would cause them more problems to deal with that the current vague ToS.

The solution to the issue is to actually engage with the player base to provide a better quality of life in the game's UI but the solution also means players have to accept a unified toolset and play with it. Having a flat no third-party tools rule is the easiest thing to do going forward though when you consider all the platforms the game is on and this is something Square Enix need to start being upfront about, even if some players just won't play after it.

[Larirawiel]

You don't need to see your teammates cooldowns.
There is no need to see the dmg that anyone does.
And you don't need to see the name of the currently playing song.

Mhhhh, what someone needs or not it is very individual. I can imagine, that the very tiny cooldown numbers under the ability icons are too small for many people.


Cheers

[Miracle_Diva]

Just because something works fine, doesn't mean it can't be improved.

Millions of player's have no problem to play the game with the normal UI.

Please show your statistics and where you took it from.

Everything you need to see can be found in the UI.

Then people wouldn't be using plugins if it would be true

Does it need improvements? Maybe, but that gives no one the right to complain about SE banning people for using any ingame 3rd tool.

No one is complaining about bans over 3rd party tool. People dislike the fact that SE is inconsistent with it and that their ToS is too vague and there's no clear state or enforcement.

[VelKallor]

Good thing that's getting a top to bottom rework in the next expansion eh?

They said that two expansions back. Never happened. Their Ui is one thing..dont even get me STARTED on their pitiful lack of privacy controls, which is part of that UI and BADLY in need of some serious updates to reflect MODERN gaming practices.

One example? In FF 14 a person needs your PERMISSION to add you as a friend, and CANNOT mail you unless you do. In WOW you can be added as a friend, stalked, mailed incessantly and their ignore system is NOT account wide....which it should have been two expansions back and they never got it done...despite the fact they said they would.

Update their UI and systems?? LMAO, you MUST be joking, they cant even manage to get their calendar to reflect LOCAL timezones.

The WOW OCE calendar indicates the time of ingame events in CALIFORNIAN TIME and every request and email and advisory to get it fixed so it shows correct details has been IGNORED.

Whats the time difference?

17 hours.

We had been at them since 2016 to fix it. Result? Silence.

They will fix the UI? Oh you mean they will finally be attending to problems they have been aware of for six years and have done NOTHING about?

Righttttttttttttt............