Third party tools are a game design failing in a multi-platform game

[Rolder50]

For cross-platform games, individual platform "advantages" should be superficial; Better graphics, better refresh rate, better resolution? Sure. But playing on PC shouldn't allow for better player performance. "If you want to be able to play better you should spend money on a PC!" is a ridiculous statement.

Thing is, better graphics and resolution ARE an advantage, in and of themselves. For example, if you do Savage / Ultimate with an ultra-wide screen, you can see the full arena without turning the camera, making mechanics way easier. Especially safe spot type ones.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I hate how we're just devolving this into the typical pc master race vs console peasants. Can everyone please just stop acting like spoiled children for once?

[Johners]

My dad said the same thing when a certain country invaded another country.

Well that took a turn. Back on the topic though, it makes absolutely no sense for SE to take a moderation and/or game design stance that puts like half the player base at a potential disadvantage in a cross-platform game. That's entirely stupid.

[Johners]

I hate how we're just devolving this into the typical pc master race vs console peasants. Can everyone please just stop acting like spoiled children for once?

Because the "console omegalul" crowd just doesn't understand the game design of cross-platform games and how it impacts the choices Square Enix are making for everyone. They actually have a duty to ensure it's fair and even for all users on all supported platforms. An Xbox version that's been rumoured since like 2018 may still happen so that's just another piece of the design puzzle as well.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Because the "console omegalul" crowd just doesn't understand the game design of cross-platform games and how it impacts the choices Square Enix are making for everyone. They actually have a duty to ensure it's fair and even for all users on all supported platforms. An Xbox version that's been rumoured since like 2018 may still happen so that's just another piece of the design puzzle as well.

I dont care. Stop bringing this crap up, its just cringe for both parties.

[Cyd3l]

You do realize you can do either methods on both platforms right?

Does PS4 support keyboard macros. toggle keys, 18 mice buttons with macro customization? Which is another thing, many gaming keyboard and mice require their manufactures software to function, and a lot them provide access to macro and toggle key tools that normally aren't available to default windows drivers. They're gonna have to start banning hardware too. Or at the very least since we need to ban all 3rd party tools that will include your gaming keyboard/mice as they provide an unfair advantage. Discord too, another unfair advantage. Can't look up anything in a web browser either, technically that's a 3rd party application. Its a gray area because it has to be. Some things are essential to just using a PC that could be considered a 3rd party tool that provides an 'unfair' advantage.

But more importantly there is literally nothing they can do. You think anti-cheat spyware that boots up when you run the game is going to prevent people from using mods? It will make it more difficult for the average player to access QoL improvements and literally do nothing to stop people who are adamant about cheating. Virtual machines can run software outside the games active environment and are therefor not detectable by anti-cheating software. Or you can go one step further and literally run things that sniff your network packets on another machine entirely. People could have their entire raid callouts happening on their laptop next to the PC they're playing FFXIV on. There's absolutely no way SE could do anything to detect or stop that.

[Sebazy]

I dont care. Stop bringing this crap up, It's making my points look bad

Fixed for you

[Lufir]

Does PS4 support keyboard macros. toggle keys, 18 mice buttons with macro customization? Which is another thing, many gaming keyboard and mice require their manufactures software to function, and a lot them provide access to macro and toggle key tools that normally aren't available to default windows drivers. They're gonna have to start banning hardware too. Or at the very least since we need to ban all 3rd party tools that will include your gaming keyboard/mice as they provide an unfair advantage. Discord too, another unfair advantage. Can't look up anything in a web browser either, technically that's a 3rd party application. Its a gray area because it has to be. Some things are essential to just using a PC that could be considered a 3rd party tool that provides an 'unfair' advantage.

But more importantly there is literally nothing they can do. You think anti-cheat spyware that boots up when you run the game is going to prevent people from using mods? It will make it more difficult for the average player to access QoL improvements and literally do nothing to stop people who are adamant about cheating. Virtual machines can run software outside the games active environment and are therefor not detectable by anti-cheating software. Or you can go one step further and literally run things that sniff your network packets on another machine entirely. People could have their entire raid callouts happening on their laptop next to the PC they're playing FFXIV on. There's absolutely no way SE could do anything to detect or stop that.

/facepalm Please tell me you're not serious.

[Cyd3l]

/facepalm Please tell me you're not serious.

I mean i am sorta playing Devils advocate, but my point was this isn't a simple binary matter with a simple solution. That's why the ToS is probably sorta vague so they can handle incidents on a case by case basis.

[Johners]

I mean i am sorta playing Devils advocate, but my point was this isn't a simple binary matter with a simple solution. That's why the ToS is probably sorta vague so they can handle incidents on a case by case basis.

Peripheral software is usually fine but I think some of the macro functionality they have could potentially trigger anti-cheat software if it existed. Not that it's really a problem because the game has it's own macro function anyway.