Third party tools are a game design failing in a multi-platform game

[VelKallor]

Good thing that's getting a top to bottom rework in the next expansion eh?

They said that two expansions back. Never happened. Their Ui is one thing..dont even get me STARTED on their pitiful lack of privacy controls, which is part of that UI and BADLY in need of some serious updates to reflect MODERN gaming practices.

One example? In FF 14 a person needs your PERMISSION to add you as a friend, and CANNOT mail you unless you do. In WOW you can be added as a friend, stalked, mailed incessantly and their ignore system is NOT account wide....which it should have been two expansions back and they never got it done...despite the fact they said they would.

Update their UI and systems?? LMAO, you MUST be joking, they cant even manage to get their calendar to reflect LOCAL timezones.

The WOW OCE calendar indicates the time of ingame events in CALIFORNIAN TIME and every request and email and advisory to get it fixed so it shows correct details has been IGNORED.

Whats the time difference?

17 hours.

We had been at them since 2016 to fix it. Result? Silence.

They will fix the UI? Oh you mean they will finally be attending to problems they have been aware of for six years and have done NOTHING about?

Righttttttttttttt............

[DezereDawn]

Good thing that's getting a top to bottom rework in the next expansion eh?

They said that two expansions back. Never happened. Their Ui is one thing..dont even get me STARTED on their pitiful lack of privacy controls, which is part of that UI and BADLY in need of some serious updates to reflect MODERN gaming practices.

One example? In FF 14 a person needs your PERMISSION to add you as a friend, and CANNOT mail you unless you do. In WOW you can be added as a friend, stalked, mailed incessantly and their ignore system is NOT account wide....which it should have been two expansions back and they never got it done...despite the fact they said they would.

Forgive me, but I will believe it when I see it.

Update their UI and systems?? LMAO, you MUST be joking, they cant even manage to get their calendar to reflect LOCAL timezones. The WOW OCE calendar indicates the time of events in CALIFORNIAN TIME and every request and email and advisory to get it fixed so it shows correct details.

Whats the time difference?

uhhh, they've shown their new ui, it's happening,

also FF14 has a much larger stalking problem than wow does, do not even THINK about claiming otherwise, this is the game that once you're added, you cannot be removed, blocking someone doesn't stop them from seeing where you are, and stalker exes have harassed one of my friends via the marriage ring which you cannot forcibly take away from them
don't throw stones in glass houses, it's actually embarassing.

Honestly you seem more like you wanna throw a hate boner at wow than actually listening to genuine feedback, get off your high horse and have a discussion or get out of the thread.

[SwingLifeAway]

Ui is a huge improvement on that ageing dionsaur they use in WOW

A parser isnt QOL at all..its a tool misused and abused to berate, harass and discriminate against players. Personally Id like to see parsers under a blanket ban. You dont need them to run content and people clear content w/out them easily.

The game literally has tight DPS checks in hard content. Parsers and loggers allow you to see where the problem is and address it. Do people use it in the way you describe? Yes, they certainly do. But that doesn't mean that it is all it is. Nuclear energy doesn't just level cities, it can also power them. Just matters how you wield it.

[Johners]

The game literally has tight DPS checks in hard content. Parsers and loggers allow you to see where the problem is and address it. Do people use it in the way you describe? Yes, they certainly do. But that doesn't mean that it is all it is. Nuclear energy doesn't just level cities, it can also power them. Just matters how you wield it.

Maybe they should take notes from World of Warcraft and provide an official combat logging function. Don't provide a built-in DPS meter, simply provide a function to save the combat log to a text file so users can analyse it afterwards. This is how Warcraft Logs works, you upload the generated log file and go from there. If people choose to take that analysis back into the game for abuse and harassment purposes, that can already be dealt with under the existing terms of service.

[SwingLifeAway]

If people choose to take that analysis back into the game for abuse and harassment purposes, that can already be dealt with under the existing terms of service.

You mean like was the status quo already for ACT before all this drama? The drawbacks of what you propose and a realtime DPS meter are the same, but for some reason realtime DPS meter is not okay? Why is that?

Also, wanting PC players to not be able to use plugins just because console players cannot is very much Crab Mentality. You can't have something just because I can't have something, even though you having it has no impact on me.

[Darthgummibear]

The game literally has tight DPS checks in hard content. Parsers and loggers allow you to see where the problem is and address it. Do people use it in the way you describe? Yes, they certainly do. But that doesn't mean that it is all it is. Nuclear energy doesn't just level cities, it can also power them. Just matters how you wield it.

While this technically might be true, gaming history has shown that by far and large people will take any opportunity they can get to gatekeep and belittle others. One of the more notable examples of this exact phenomenon is when the GearScore addon was released during WoW's Lich King expansion. It amplified a toxic element of that community by several orders of magnitude almost overnight.

I would argue that the ones who would use parsing solely as a personal improvement tool are the exception, not the rule.

[SwingLifeAway]

I would argue that the ones who would use parsing solely as a personal improvement tool are the exception, not the rule.

And you'd be arguing from a position of no understanding, and in extremely bad faith, much like the rest of the arguments in this thread and on this forum. Do you do difficult endgame content? Judging by your statement, I do not believe that you do.

The vast majority of people I have raided with that use parsers, never talk about them in game, and never harass anyone because they're not stupid and they know it's bad behavior that will get them banned, as it should. I've been playing this game since 2017 and I've never seen anyone get harassed over DPS in matched content, ever. Granted that my experience is not reflective of the entire community, but neither is yours, and neither is your analogy.

Also worth saying that nobody is trying to argue that harassing people over metrics is okay, so not sure why you're even using it as an argument to be honest.

[SaltyDaddy]

So instead of wanting for both platforms to improve (And we all know how slow SE is at improving things), we are going to limit one platforms that enjoys the option of improving their game experience, and thefore fun, because one platform is limited by itself. What a take. Console vs PC is never ending topic old as gaming itself, but console toxicity towards PC mod users, instead of wanting devs to improve game never stops to amaze me.

I would argue that the ones who would use parsing solely as a personal improvement tool are the exception, not the rule.

Do you have any statistic for that? If parsing would be that big problem, more people would talk about its problems, but guess what. Its rare. Its not about the tools, its about people. I can harass you if my enmity on the boss is higher as range dps and you are melee and not even needing parsing program for that.

Nobody cares about perfomance in casual content. In savage, parsing would allow you to see what errors are you making and improve yourself. If you want to be blindly underperfoming, that means you are making game less enjoyable for 7 other people. So no, parsing is not a problem. Parsing software in dumb hands is and they dont even need that parsing software to harass you.

[Ralphe2449]

No, certain addons are created for the sole reason to turn a raid difficulty into easy mode by providing timings and announcement of mechanics.

Those literally go against the design of the game but players want them anyway because it makes the "difficult" high end group encounter easier.

[Mosha]

A parser isnt QOL at all..its a tool misused and abused to berate, harass and discriminate against players. Personally Id like to see parsers under a blanket ban. You dont need them to run content and people clear content w/out them easily.

This is such a bad-faith argument, the vast majority of people use it for self-improvement as a individual/group. Is it strictly needed? no, but it saves a lot of time progging when you can find out what you're doing wrong.