Can we point out to how bad it is that SE bends the knee to chan brigades?

[kaynide]

Problem with that that so many use third party stuff.
Raiders use parsers.
Home decorators use mods to float furniture or w/e
RPers use chat bubble mods etc.

This mass reporting is equivalent to snitching on somebody for smoking pot.

Then don't "smoke pot" on public TV with 1,000s of people watching, knowing full well it's against the law.

Per EU Court of Justice ruling EULAs and ToS are legally irrelevant. Too bad companies get away with them still because EU has to waste time with never ending anti-consumer practices of big fish like Apple.

There is nothing illegal about a company enforcing their own rules as long as their rules aren't themselves breaking any laws.

Feel free to challenge in some court with "omgz I got banned for breaking the rulez! Punish them for me EU! Make them reverse it!"

[Xlantaa]

They just did what they said they would do. People can't say they never were warned. They asked players to stop using those things, yet they said "well, Yoshi-P is okay with that, is just a corporate thing, they will never enforced". Is some sort of demonstration that they can actually do it.

The ban was because a bunch of people reported a streamer. Even if that cleary an childist abuse and that people just wanted that, a GM can't ignore the fact that he was using third party tools. that can set an even more dangerous precedent, like "this GM allows the use of third party tools, so it should fine for everyone", which contradicts the ToS. It seems no one thinks that ignore the report of people using not allowed software is more dangerous in the long term, as it will encourage the use, a thing that SE doesn't want.

[Semirhage]

They only enforce it en masse when a loud enough chunk of the Japanese playerbase gets fired up about it.

What's entertaining me this week is the self-appointed Gladys Kravitzes in the NA forums, squawking "ABNER, ABNER! Someone is using a DIRTY PLUGIN to fix a controller bug! It's BREAKING THE LAW! Call the police!"

You couldn't pay me to give a crap about plugins like that, and Yoshi isn't going to sleep with you guys.

[kaynide]

They just did what they said they would do. People can't say they never were warned. They asked players to stop using those things, yet they said "well, Yoshi-P is okay with that, is just a corporate thing, they will never enforced". Is some sort of demonstration that they can actually do it.

The ban was because a bunch of people reported a streamer. Even if that cleary an childist abuse and that people just wanted that, a GM can't ignore the fact that he was using third party tools. that can set an even more dangerous precedent, like "this GM allows the use of third party tools, so it should fine for everyone", which contradicts the ToS. It seems no one thinks that ignore the report of people using not allowed software is more dangerous in the long term, as it will encourage the use, a thing that SE doesn't want.

This is ultimately the thing I don't think newbies understand to the game. The policy really hasn't changed from day 1. It has ALWAYS always been "Don't do it, and we won't really actively look for it... but if you get reported and we find you were doing X, we gotta punish you."

It's very much the same vibe you'd get from a dad saying "I'm not disappointed you did the thing. I'm disappointed you got caught."

They only enforce it en masse when a loud enough chunk of the Japanese playerbase gets fired up about it.

What's entertaining me this week is the self-appointed Gladys Kravitzes in the NA forums, squawking "ABNER, ABNER! Someone is using a DIRTY PLUGIN to fix a controller bug! It's BREAKING THE LAW! Call the police!"

You couldn't pay me to give a crap about plugins like that, and Yoshi isn't going to sleep with you guys.

Most of these people claim the ToS is vague or bad or whatever and haven't even bothered to actually read it.

[Deedlit]

The WF salt has been delicious. From people who lost or those that will never even enter the duty.

[MiaShino]

Lol, this just isn't the case though. Are you really that oblivious to all the complaints, threads and so forth everywhere complaining about how obvious bots and cheaters weren't getting banned despite being reported? Even if we ignore Eureka bots and so forth, remember the outrage over that BLM in Gordias with the 2 second GCD? They never got banned for that.

Someone pointing at someone else using 3rd party tools isn't going to get someone banned. There's over 10 years of evidence right here on these forums that document exactly that.

This is about it requiring mass reporting from 5ch to make it happen. No matter which side of the camp you're on with ToS breaking mods. This is wrong.

If someone is obviously cheating, it should probably be addressed fairly, irrespective of if they get 2 reports or 200.

The number of reports shouldn't decide the severity of the punishment. That's just wrong and there's a very big reason why reality doesn't work like this.

There is streamer ViolentDestruction who reported a cheater multiple times on stream. PVP using speed hack and anti crowd control something, uncertain how this stuffs work. Took one week if am remembering correctly for any action to be taken. They were top rank for almost entire time. Continued to return after being reported with name change every time. Likely knew they were being reported by watching stream.

Also know that stock GM message changes upon certain report threshold. Was playing with the friends doing alliance raid. Someone was AFK then became most aggressive when called out. Of course we report them because tis not okay. Some friends received the standard "We are sorry this has occurred" stock message while other friends who reported the person last got different "We have received enough to begin investigation" message.

[Rowde]

What is "bend the knee"?

Sounds like something someone would say in a bad television show about renaissance fairs

[Fourbestintoner]

SE has always bent the knee to the unhinged toxic elitists, it is nothing new unfortunately, breaking the rules is wrong, but so are hate mobs.
Years ago 5ch found out someone on their data center used mods, they harassed them for months and months, what do you think SE did? Permanently banned the modder and left the harassers alone to continue playing janitors.

[Tehmon]

There seems to have been an understanding between SE and players/streamers regarding third party stuff. Now that understanding has been shattered due to people with malicious intent. SE has to take action on the matter regardless of the intentions of those bringing it up, because if they don't do something, it opens up the possibility for even more third party applications and mods being used and abused willy nilly.

Only fault I see in SE is that they left the topic ambiguous, hoping they wouldn't need to address it further as long as everyone played fair. But now it's biting them right in the ass.

[Wyssahtyn]

Topic. The precedence it sets is a very bad one. It shows how bad SE deals with reports and customer relations in general.

it's already been a precedent