Is Pyromancer getting a perm ban for having Dalamud?

[QT_Melon]

should there be a penalty for abusing the report system like this?

If the reports are not valid, yes. They can ban your account. If the reports are actually valid. No

A mass report doesn't ban you from the game, an investigation on the allegation and verifying the rules were indeed broken, will. A GM can act on 1 report and ban you if you broke said rules, a GM can also act on 500 reports and ban you if determined you broke the rules.

A GM cannot act on 500 reports or more if you didn't break the rules.

A GM CAN act on the people reporting just to report because THEY broke the rules on how to use the report system to target someone who did not break the rules. And they have acted on it as well.

[BokoToloko]

If the reports are not valid, yes. They can ban your account. If the reports are actually valid. No

A mass report doesn't ban you from the game, an investigation on the allegation and verifying the rules were indeed broken, will. A GM can act on 1 report and ban you if you broke said rules, a GM can also act on 500 reports and ban you if determined you broke the rules.

A GM cannot act on 500 reports or more if you didn't break the rules.

A GM CAN act on the people reporting just to report because THEY broke the rules on how to use the report system to target someone who did not break the rules. And they have acted on it as well.

While I don't condone the enormous drama people in the forum has built around this, the thing about mass reports or, more specifically, targeted mass reports, is that they are more successful than you give them credit for. And the reason they can be successful comes from two factors: the search the reporters perform on your history and the information that the GM gets a hand on.

On the first, when a mob is determined to get you banned, they will dig ANY kind of dirt they can get their hands on and not just one tiny mod in the screen. They can look for anything that can get you banned (in this thread's case, they could simply take many of the clips Pyro lets out a slur or trashes his twitch chat) and, while people can try to hide as much as possible, they're not flawless and, in a streamers case, you are liable to get mistakes exposed in plain sight. On the second, the mob can not only dig that information but they can also feed it to the GMs in a way that misconstrues the context and gives a whole different picture than what it really is.

And this will happen with any online game, regardless of community.

[QT_Melon]

On the first, when a mob is determined to get you banned, they will dig ANY kind of dirt they can get their hands on and not just one tiny mod in the screen. They can look for anything that can get you banned....

On the second, the mob can not only dig that information but they can also feed it to the GMs in a way that misconstrues the context and gives a whole different picture than what it really is.

And this will happen with any online game, regardless of community.

Correct, but did Pyromancer essentially NOT apologize for having mods, or did he own up and say it was his mistake and take them down?

Regardless, A mass report in SE's case only gives the GM more visibility on a violation.

Also let's not kid ourselves here - of course streamers are going to be the most visible case of taking action. Who in this forum or multitude of people are gonna stand up for Joe Gunbreaker that had his ACT up and got banned for visibly talking about parsing and evidence of it was in game when he got reported? Most people tell that person "Well you're not supposed to talk about it"

But now streamers had their stuff up, (and while again - I'm not arguing against add ons). VISIBLY had it up for a very large audience. So now is the perfect time for SE to take harder action. Because people WILL actually see that violating their TOS especially with greater visibility on content than before will have consequences.

10 day ban is HARSH, but I'm pretty sure quite a few people started turning off their mods or kept them out of the public eye after that. All this outrage over what's happening is just people being people. They don't want to see a favorite or a person publicly getting hit, but very few stood up when the little guys got punished for ACT or mods and got caught because they allowed themselves to.

I mean let's say that the guy was looking at porn on his computer? In of itself he's a grown adult and if he wanted to look at porn - that's his thing. BUT what if he left the stream rolling so everyone can see his porn collection? What then?

"Oh well he's looking at porn on Twitch, and isn't really hurting anyone" -pffffffft

I mean yeah people will dig and look for mistakes - it's unfortunate side product of being some kind of celebrity.

has there ever been a recorded instance of people who report and got punished for it?
the ToS is deliberately written in a vague way to make it so that 99.99% of all reports are actually valid

Okay so if they're deliberately vague how do you ALSO know that they didn't by your own logic?

I mean that's what people have been insinuating so much in this thread. "I didn't know what I got punished for"

The one instance I know that a vague punishment happened was account bans regarding SE's oversight on payment services. But they owned up to it and were supposed to have worked on it.

[SeiyaSoiya]

If the reports are not valid, yes. They can ban your account. If the reports are actually valid. No

A mass report doesn't ban you from the game, an investigation on the allegation and verifying the rules were indeed broken, will. A GM can act on 1 report and ban you if you broke said rules, a GM can also act on 500 reports and ban you if determined you broke the rules.

A GM cannot act on 500 reports or more if you didn't break the rules.

A GM CAN act on the people reporting just to report because THEY broke the rules on how to use the report system to target someone who did not break the rules. And they have acted on it as well.

has there ever been a recorded instance of people who report and got punished for it?
the ToS is deliberately written in a vague way to make it so that 99.99% of all reports are actually valid