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  1. #21
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    The WoW streamers are the ones that went crazy on mods while streaming and basically that spread awareness about them (I myself legit did not even knew you can change UI to that level with them before seeing Pyro streaming) but Square Enix won't do anything about them, they will ban few small FFXIV streamers to make example off.
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    Last edited by Somnolence; 05-11-2022 at 03:27 PM.

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    Tsukino's Avatar
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    Tsukino Mahou
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaru_F View Post
    Him losing his temper and attacking his chat is nothing new[...].
    As someone in their 30s who doesn't watch other people play video games, I would love for some young people to explain to me how watching someone crying like a baby over a game and attacking the audience qualifies as entertainment to them. There's, like, movies, television, playing games, sports, gambling, porn...all kinds of other stuff out there.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    The WoW streamers are the ones that went crazy on mods while streaming and basically that spread awareness about them (I myself legit did not even knew you can change UI to that level with them before seeing Pyro streaming) but Square Enix won't do anything about them, they will ban few small FFXIV streamers to make example off.
    Same actually. I had never seen so many mods till I took a peek at streams like Limit and other WoW streamers. They just changed ffxiv to make it as much like their WoW ui as possible and it looks like garbage imo. I only have one issue with the standard UI and that is not being able to change to 70% scaling, it goes 80 to 60 and I need the in between size for my bars!

    Some QoL I will be glad to see SE add, more options is always good. But ffxiv ui is so much better than other mmo I have played o.0
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE View Post
    And this is the problem.

    What he has on his UI, does not affect anyone else. It makes the game more playable, and enjoyable.
    5ch needs to just be shut down.
    The irony in crying about "witch hunts" while attempting to generate a witch hunt yourself against an entire community of people.

    "Noooooo don't ban my heckin' favorite streamer who's totally my best friend I donated him my weekly paycheck and he still banned me for not sucking up to him hard enough, but TAKE DOWN THAT ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE FOR THE CRIME OF TRYING TO GET SE TO ENFORCE THEIR OWN RULES, THEY'RE PURE EVIL AND DESERVE TO BE SILENCED"
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    The irony in crying about "witch hunts" while attempting to generate a witch hunt yourself against an entire community of people.

    "Noooooo don't ban my heckin' favorite streamer who's totally my best friend I donated him my weekly paycheck and he still banned me for not sucking up to him hard enough, but TAKE DOWN THAT ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE FOR THE CRIME OF TRYING TO GET SE TO ENFORCE THEIR OWN RULES, THEY'RE PURE EVIL AND DESERVE TO BE SILENCED"
    Imagine thinking somebody would actually pay to watch something that is free to watch :/

    Wait people actually do that don't they lmao.
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    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE View Post
    Imagine thinking somebody would actually pay to watch something that is free to watch :/

    Wait people actually do that don't they lmao.
    Not me, at least. Never subbed to a streamer, never donated. Adblock enabled.
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  7. #27
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    This is a mess and while unintended, the recent announcement regarding 3rd party tools has allowed for sectors of the playerbase to go witch-hunt content creators they don’t like. It is mind-boggling how seemingly no one in their close circles were able to talk him out of using these mods on stream, especially given Pyro’s temperament and stringent chat rules where it wouldn’t be unheard of for a viewer to feel scorned after the disproportionate punishments for even the mildest of infractions or genuinely innocent comments. Now those of us who aren’t content creators cannot voice support for him or else someone who doesn’t like us will come around and report us for not towing the line, in my case I have no small amount of WoW-lock Summoner players who would probably jump at the chance to get me banned after the months-long arguments I had with them where they ended up being the losing party. I listened to the youtube video linked earlier in the thread but not much in particular stood out to me about it. The guy is a typical Aries/fire sign personality, and no that isn't meant to be read as an insult. No wonder he doesn't mesh well with the "community" which has largely leaned towards more passive and mellow individuals for the last 8 years. This is why I chose to watch people like him on twitch instead of someone like mrhappy, despite my general dislike of how he handles chat.

    There is no depth to which some of these players won’t stoop - you have people unironically believing Gshade shouldn’t be allowed because there can be nothing that contradicts the rules no matter how obviously innocuous. From my perspective, last time the community felt as unwelcoming and hostile as this was in that period following the 2019 fanfest when those of us who wanted male Viera back then were called every name in the book for opposing the "official" decision to reintroduce gender-locked races with an objectively more restricted male variant-only for other SE employees who felt similar to us to later on give us male Viera tailored around our shared tastes. There was light at the end of that tunnel at least, and while it did much to soothe all the abuse a lot of us endured back then, I don’t see a fix for the situation some of us and our favorite content creators are facing now. It’s only a matter of time before they go after people like Bellular next, because I’m sure somebody somewhere has taken offense to his use of color shaders. It wouldn't surprise me either if someone went after someone as good natured as Zepla for reasons irrelevant to the game while using some of her previous comments against her.

    The only sound advice I can give at this point is to take a break from streaming if you've displayed these mods/addons in the past and pray that you haven't angered anyone of this "community" enough for them to chase you down afterwards. As to the people who have taken it upon themselves to go after these other players, I could encourage them to look in the mirror themselves and ask if they are truly as innocent as they believe themselves to be but it wouldn't be a worthwhile endeavour. These people have convinced themselves that they are justice and that there is no right except their own.

    My goodness, I cannot wait for FFXVI to release already so that I can take off for a good long while and immerse myself in a less righteous fandom, because I'm certainly not willing to have morality dictated to me by a bunch of people who retweet fanart of the scions and G'raha Tia all day while preaching about how great they feel after taking someone down for whatever reason they're pushing at the moment.
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    Авейонд-сны


  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE View Post
    Imagine thinking somebody would actually pay to watch something that is free to watch :/

    Wait people actually do that don't they lmao.
    It's either that or having to watch 9-14 consecutive ads.
    And when it comes to this guy, his response to complaints of having to watch an absurd number of ads is simple, "If you don't wanna see ads, just buy a sub," in the most stuck up tone.
    Mind you, I don't pay money to watch his streams. I simply refuse to for this particular reason and just skip his ads on my own.
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  9. #29
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    Well, now that you put his name on the radar.
    He probably will be

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukino View Post
    As someone in their 30s who doesn't watch other people play video games, I would love for some young people to explain to me how watching someone crying like a baby over a game and attacking the audience qualifies as entertainment to them. There's, like, movies, television, playing games, sports, gambling, porn...all kinds of other stuff out there.
    have you never watch racing just to wait for the crashes?
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  10. #30
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    Understandable.
    So he basically made a lot of his viewer's mad for his stance on 3rd party tools.

    Witch-hunts and cancel culture is nothing good or I would support but he is throwing stones while sitting in a glass house.
    So he has to life with the consequences of his anger issues.
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