Is Pyromancer getting a perm ban for having Dalamud?

[Gameovers]

I'm in pretty much the same boat tbh. He's just not fun to watch when it takes him 2 hours of ranting to start every stream, especially the last one where he flat out said he hates console players.
None of this however justifies anyone in reporting him for using harmless mods.

He said he hates us? Us as I play on PS5. Fuck. D: Why did he say that? I need context.

[KyraAu]

He said he hates us? Us as I play on PS5. Fuck. D: Why did he say that? I need context.

No one talking about it seems to have actually been in the stream with all the context, so here


long conversation about mods for 30 minutes takes place

One comment references how it's unfair for console players even they gave "QoL addons" the ok for PC because console couldn't use them

Pyro asks if many people even use consoles, changing the context of his question multiple times to things like "well are there even full statics that are all console players", ignoring literally dozens and dozens of comments commenting how even in JP the majority of the playerbase plays on console (i don't know if this is true personally, but it was being said by a lot of people and he didn't respond to that once, just kept asking)

He then hard turns it into a discussion about how well since PC's can get more frames than consoles, they're already at an advantage. As if that somehow means nothing else should be acted upon that would give a disadvantage to console, because there's "already an FPS advantage"

Then, no matter what was said, he got upset and was raging at people, accusing this as "great community btw, right chat?" and shitting on pretty much everyone. There were obviously and of course several trolls and baiters, but the majority of people were trying to discuss the same shit he was saying. But when he's in that state, it doesn't matter what you say. If he reads your chat and it doesn't rub him the right way right then, you're banned and/or called out for being an idiot etc




And this wasn't even the most ragey part of the stream.

[Seraphor]

No one talking about it seems to have actually been in the stream with all the context, so here


long conversation about mods for 30 minutes takes place

One comment references how it's unfair for console players even they gave "QoL addons" the ok for PC because console couldn't use them

Pyro asks if many people even use consoles, changing the context of his question multiple times to things like "well are there even full statics that are all console players", ignoring literally dozens and dozens of comments commenting how even in JP the majority of the playerbase plays on console (i don't know if this is true personally, but it was being said by a lot of people and he didn't respond to that once, just kept asking)

He then hard turns it into a discussion about how well since PC's can get more frames than consoles, they're already at an advantage. As if that somehow means nothing else should be acted upon that would give a disadvantage to console, because there's "already an FPS advantage"

Then, no matter what was said, he got upset and was raging at people, accusing this as "great community btw, right chat?" and shitting on pretty much everyone. There were obviously and of course several trolls and baiters, but the majority of people were trying to discuss the same shit he was saying. But when he's in that state, it doesn't matter what you say. If he reads your chat and it doesn't rub him the right way right then, you're banned and/or called out for being an idiot etc




And this wasn't even the most ragey part of the stream.

I was there. I turned over to watch someone else more interesting when he got to the part where he raged at someone in chat, saying "why the hell anyone would want to drive a rust bucket when they could drive a Ferrari?!?!? consoles are like 500 bucks dude!", or whatever car models he used in his analogy. Basic PC master race crap.

[Raim]

Are you saying its okay that streamers should be above the rules of the game because they advertise for it though?

[Bunnycake]

Are you saying its okay that streamers should be above the rules of the game because they advertise for it though?

Kaiyoko actually said that when Arthas got a suspension from flamming a blm via ACT

[LeonKeyh]

Are you saying its okay that streamers should be above the rules of the game because they advertise for it though?

Nobody is saying that. Quite the opposite. You make an example out of them, you temporarily ban them to show that "nobody" is above the rules. You have to. But, you don't ever permanently ban free advertising.

It has to be enough to show that you're serious, but not enough to lose that. Otherwise, people will 100% know that there is favoritism. Like with Twitch and Pokemane.

[Hyrist]

Okay, time for a personal opinion breakdown.

Do I like Pyromancer? Yes, actually. I wouldn't have donated literally hundreds of subs to his channel otherwise.

Do I condone Pyromancer's more erratic and upsetting behavior? No. I don't know the man personally so I don't know the extent of what he has to struggle with - but if you're working in the public sector you need to try your best not to have a major episode in conflict with your audience, regardless of the circumstances behind your performance.

Do I think Pyromancer is in the wrong for his violation the TOS. Yes. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. 3rd party tools are a violation of ToS. He puts his account at risk for broadcasting it. If he gets suspended or banned because of it, that's ultimately on him. It's nice that in the best of times people can stick their necks into the guillotine and trust that people won't pull the lever, but these are not the best of times.

Do I agree with Pyromancer being persecuted for his use of shaders and mods like chat bubbles? No. I think it's a minor thing, and presume most people realize that. The internet tends to put a microscope on the most obscene and hyperbolic of people and statements. The most prominent mod I've seen that I'd like to see implemented in the current UI are the Chat Bubbles. I think they'd be a great addition to the game for players, especially seeming they exist for NPCs as is. That said, till it's in the game officially, using it is a risk, I don't recommend it.

This isn't the first time the good faith between players and developers were strained because of the bad actors among the players. These forums alone are often an example of bad faith actors ruining things for others. But there is no need. Those who are violating the ToS in good faith (meaning they're not trying to harm nothing or take advantage above other players, or gain an edge in fights. They're just trying to improve their personal experience), in my opinion suffer the most when this relationship is strained.

I don't hold judgement against these people. They are breaking the rules but they're not hurting/judging anyone. The risk is theirs to take if it matters that much to them. But it IS a risk, especially in this climate. The rules are clear, even if some of those bad faith actors want to take the statements to their hyperbolic extremes. If you don't want to take a risk for your account. Don't. Take. The. Risk. Use common sense and move on.

Otherwise, there are some people with some real vendettas out there that will take this upset over current events and see just how draconian they can get the GMs to be over the rules.

I still count this as part of the inevitable culture clash we get every time we get a larger wave of people adopting the game at a time. It's not the first time I've had to make statements to these effects either. Hopefully things will calm down soon and actions will get focused on the most egregious people using hacks and cheats.

[Seraphor]

You guys are just making this worse.

The rules have not changed. How SE enforces those rules has not changed. It has always been a "don't ask don't tell" situation.

Bringing ToS violations to SE's attention forces them to act on them, because those same rules that prohibit UI overlays also prohibit botting, hacking, and add ons that give an unfair advantage such as automated callouts and markers, etc. and if they don't act on all reports, they can't justifiably act on any of them.

So... stop bringing attention to them.

Seriously, this whole debate, the multiple threads, namedropping streamers, the countless petulant, snarky jibes comparing innocuous Discord to literal games hacks, or accusing SE of being worse than the Nazis. Stop it.

[Hyrist]

You guys are just making this worse.

The rules have not changed. How SE enforces those rules has not changed. It has always been a "don't ask don't tell" situation.

Bringing ToS violations to SE's attention forces them to act on them, because those same rules that prohibit UI overlays also prohibit botting, hacking, and add ons that give an unfair advantage such as automated callouts and markers, etc. and if they don't act on all reports, they can't justifiably act on any of them.

So... stop bringing attention to them.

Seriously, this whole debate, the multiple threads, namedropping streamers, the countless petulant, snarky jibes comparing innocuous Discord to literal games hacks, or accusing SE of being worse than the Nazis. Stop it.

You're acting as if you can stuff the cat back in the bag. Sorry but that's now the system operates. Attention has been drawn. The discussion is here. Suddenly crying "Shh!" isn't going to suddenly change the facts. Take a moment and calm down. It's worth the discussion to weigh in on what we do with the extremes in this situation.

Calm people draw better distinctions in all situations. Regardless there are a lot of streamers who are far more prominent and they're likely not to duck and cover, even against recommendation. I expect a good number of people are going to wind up with suspensions and take a much needed break from FFXIV, before coming back to lots of people welcoming them. That too, is a reality for many.

[Seraphor]

You're acting as if you can stuff the cat back in the bag. Sorry but that's now the system operates. Attention has been drawn. The discussion is here. Suddenly crying "Shh!" isn't going to suddenly change the facts. Take a moment and calm down. It's worth the discussion to weigh in on what we do with the extremes in this situation.

Calm people draw better distinctions in all situations. Regardless there are a lot of streamers who are far more prominent and they're likely not to duck and cover, even against recommendation. I expect a good number of people are going to wind up with suspensions and take a much needed break from FFXIV, before coming back to lots of people welcoming them. That too, is a reality for many.

I haven't seen any calm discussions about this. Just reams and reams of "lol you have to ban everyone for using discord kekekek SE has gone to shit poggers" when literally nothing has changed apart from a bunch of people reported one high-profile streamer. It's literally screaming that the sky is falling.

At the very least, we should not be namedropping streamers in the context of what mods they're using.