Is Pyromancer getting a perm ban for having Dalamud?

[Folsom]

would mass reporting someone still be acceptable if they were nicer?

Mass reporting someone, so long as they actually broke a rule, is always technically acceptable, regardless of how nice they are. Few companies or other authorities in their right minds write a rule, note that it's only enforced via complaint, and then find legitimate complaints unacceptable, whether enmasse or singularly (though often it takes more than one complaint to trigger a reaction depending on the type of entity the complaint is made to). Whether they actually do anything will be based on their internal policy, but it's extremely unlikely (though not impossible!) that they'll consider the reporting unacceptable or harassment. On the other hand, they may note that it wasn't their intent, but we'll see (or not).

[KariTheFox]

Mass reporting someone, so long as they actually broke a rule, is always technically acceptable, regardless of how nice they are. Few companies or other authorities in their right minds write a rule, note that it's only enforced via complaint, and then find legitimate complaints unacceptable, whether enmasse or singularly (though often it takes more than one complaint to trigger a reaction depending on the type of entity the complaint is made to). Whether they actually do anything will be based on their internal policy, but it's extremely unlikely (though not impossible!) that they'll consider the reporting unacceptable or harassment. On the other hand, they may note that it wasn't their intent, but we'll see (or not).

Do you think the people on 5ch and other communities who engage in targeted, mass reporting actually care about the rules - isn't it possible that they engage in this behaviour because they enjoy having the ability to specifically target and take down people they may not like for reasons outside of the rules.

[Lihtleita]

Mass reporting someone, so long as they actually broke a rule, is always technically acceptable, regardless of how nice they are. Few companies or other authorities in their right minds write a rule, note that it's only enforced via complaint, and then find legitimate complaints unacceptable, whether enmasse or singularly (though often it takes more than one complaint to trigger a reaction depending on the type of entity the complaint is made to). Whether they actually do anything will be based on their internal policy, but it's extremely unlikely (though not impossible!) that they'll consider the reporting unacceptable or harassment. On the other hand, they may note that it wasn't their intent, but we'll see (or not).

while i agree with you on paper, ive seen massreporting being used competitively in other mmos, most notably new world. I worry what will happen if GMs go by volume of reports rather than a thorough investigation.

seeing ppl respond to this with "he deserves it hes a dick" first and foremost is not encouraging

[Jaquan]

while i agree with you on paper, ive seen massreporting being used competitively in other mmos, most notably new world. I worry what will happen if GMs go by volume of reports rather than a thorough investigation.

seeing ppl respond to this with "he deserves it hes a dick" first and foremost is not encouraging

We don't know if GMs make their decision based on amount of reports or does it simply moves them to investigate much sooner than they would otherwise. Ultimately I doubt one or two reports over few days would generate same response as hundreds sent in a matter of hours.

In this particular case if SE decides to move and investigate latest Pyro streams... Yeah he's toasted. Barring his general attitude and personality he chose to actively antagonize and taunt SE by putting his add-ons on the forefront.

[KariTheFox]

would mass reporting someone still be acceptable if they were nicer?

I flipped through the video that supposedly detemines that he "deserves it" and all I saw was a kind of ornery dude arguing with some equally obnoxious twitch chatters.

Say what you want about SE's policy on third party mods, but do we really want the only metric for enforcement to be "if you get noticed by 5ch or some twitch users".

[hagare]

would mass reporting someone still be acceptable if they were nicer?

irrelevant.
The report still needs to be investigated.
Mass reporting only brings it to attention faster.
It doesn't decide guilt or innocence.

[LeonKeyh]

irrelevant.
The report still needs to be investigated.
Mass reporting only brings it to attention faster.
It doesn't decide guilt or innocence.

What you're saying absolutely SHOULD be the case, but it's unlikely that the number of reports has no affect on the decision and/or punishment.

If 1 person sends a report for something questionable, then you can largely ignore it and just have 1 angry person either way. If 100 people send a report on something questionable then if you ignore it you have 100 angry people. If you deal with it, you have 1 angry person.

You can't ignore something that hundreds of people report like you can 1-2 people.

[KyraAu]

What you're saying absolutely SHOULD be the case, but it's unlikely that the number of reports has no affect on the decision and/or punishment.

If 1 person sends a report for something questionable, then you can largely ignore it and just have 1 angry person either way. If 100 people send a report on something questionable then if you ignore it you have 100 angry people. If you deal with it, you have 1 angry person.

You can't ignore something that hundreds of people report like you can 1-2 people.

You talking about how individual reports can be discarded and you the higher it goes the more you have to do something works from an individual person level

That's how you as a person would handle it, from your perspective

that is not how CS systems handle reports lol. A single report can get you banned. The primary way people get actioned in FF14 is by 1 person reporting another and a GM clarifying with person 1 and then taking action if the circumstances justify it. The time scale is what matters more when you're talking about impacts from the number of reports. The more the faster. Not the more the more reasonable.

I actually do think that Pyro has advertised addons before, I am like 95% sure I've heard him do it on Stream

He did this yesterday even



Just to add though, he right now as I'm typing removed all his plugins and is playing the game vanilla from now on, per what he just said.

[IdowhatIwant]

You talking about how individual reports can be discarded and you the higher it goes the more you have to do something works from an individual person level

That's how you as a person would handle it, from your perspective

that is not how CS systems handle reports lol. A single report can get you banned. The primary way people get actioned in FF14 is by 1 person reporting another and a GM clarifying with person 1 and then taking action if the circumstances justify it. The time scale is what matters more when you're talking about impacts from the number of reports. The more the faster. Not the more the more reasonable.





He did this yesterday even



Just to add though, he right now as I'm typing removed all his plugins and is playing the game vanilla from now on, per what he just said.

Uh oh Pyro, they coming for you next.

[aveyond-dreams]

Just to add though, he right now as I'm typing removed all his plugins and is playing the game vanilla from now on, per what he just said.

Good for him, hopefully he can have a more positive experience moving forward and can take the time to get the help he needs. I don't like seeing stories end in Scottzone-style fiascos.