Is Pyromancer getting a perm ban for having Dalamud?

[KariTheFox]

Mass reporting someone, so long as they actually broke a rule, is always technically acceptable, regardless of how nice they are. Few companies or other authorities in their right minds write a rule, note that it's only enforced via complaint, and then find legitimate complaints unacceptable, whether enmasse or singularly (though often it takes more than one complaint to trigger a reaction depending on the type of entity the complaint is made to). Whether they actually do anything will be based on their internal policy, but it's extremely unlikely (though not impossible!) that they'll consider the reporting unacceptable or harassment. On the other hand, they may note that it wasn't their intent, but we'll see (or not).

Do you think the people on 5ch and other communities who engage in targeted, mass reporting actually care about the rules - isn't it possible that they engage in this behaviour because they enjoy having the ability to specifically target and take down people they may not like for reasons outside of the rules.

[KariTheFox]

would mass reporting someone still be acceptable if they were nicer?

I flipped through the video that supposedly detemines that he "deserves it" and all I saw was a kind of ornery dude arguing with some equally obnoxious twitch chatters.

Say what you want about SE's policy on third party mods, but do we really want the only metric for enforcement to be "if you get noticed by 5ch or some twitch users".

[Lihtleita]

Mass reporting someone, so long as they actually broke a rule, is always technically acceptable, regardless of how nice they are. Few companies or other authorities in their right minds write a rule, note that it's only enforced via complaint, and then find legitimate complaints unacceptable, whether enmasse or singularly (though often it takes more than one complaint to trigger a reaction depending on the type of entity the complaint is made to). Whether they actually do anything will be based on their internal policy, but it's extremely unlikely (though not impossible!) that they'll consider the reporting unacceptable or harassment. On the other hand, they may note that it wasn't their intent, but we'll see (or not).

while i agree with you on paper, ive seen massreporting being used competitively in other mmos, most notably new world. I worry what will happen if GMs go by volume of reports rather than a thorough investigation.

seeing ppl respond to this with "he deserves it hes a dick" first and foremost is not encouraging

[Jaquan]

while i agree with you on paper, ive seen massreporting being used competitively in other mmos, most notably new world. I worry what will happen if GMs go by volume of reports rather than a thorough investigation.

seeing ppl respond to this with "he deserves it hes a dick" first and foremost is not encouraging

We don't know if GMs make their decision based on amount of reports or does it simply moves them to investigate much sooner than they would otherwise. Ultimately I doubt one or two reports over few days would generate same response as hundreds sent in a matter of hours.

In this particular case if SE decides to move and investigate latest Pyro streams... Yeah he's toasted. Barring his general attitude and personality he chose to actively antagonize and taunt SE by putting his add-ons on the forefront.

[Reap00]

He left it on screen for 30+ minutes at the end of Stormblood when using a plugin to change the games launch screen from stormblood to ShB.

The VoD is still there, does that mean Square Enix will be taking action?


The community is waiting.

Ban all your free advertisement.

DO IT.

P.s. This is a troll post, he should not get banned for changing a title screen or having a cleaner looking UI that does not affect gameplay or other people in any way. That is just stupid.

You should read the post by Yoshi P. It includes ALL 3rd pt tools. It isn't up to user discretion. Leaving evidence of violating this policy is idiocy incarnate.

[aveyond-dreams]

The post also mentions that even voicing support for these tools is considered a violation, by that standard a significant amount of people who sided with Hrothgar and Viera players using mods to fix the horrific state of the limited races will also come under fire. Zepla at one point made a comment to the effect of if modders can do it then so can SE, with such vagueness perhaps even that could be used to target her should this group choose to go after her.

It won't end with the angry guy you don't like, and given the string of disappointments from 6.1 I don't believe this game needs the bad press of banning its more prominent streamers over this, especially if it is due to a rogue group of individuals who believe they act in the name of justice. I imagine the people who bullied Scottzone off of social media entirely probably felt they were similarly justified. This community has serious issues when it comes to dealing with disagreements.

If you don't like the angry guy who shouts a lot then no one, literally no one is forcing you to interact with him. Have the maturity to walk away and pick your arguments wisely. If you don't like someone commenting about how they wish there was more raid content, do not form brigades much in the same way that is happening now in order to banish them from their streaming platforms/the actual game. Pyro could absolutely be more mature about the way he goes about things but the group acting like internet vigilantes is also in the wrong, and I would rather put up with Pyro who at least can tell me to my face what is going on in his mind than a bunch of people who go after others like it's a hobby, just waiting to ruin the game for me the minute I step out of line.

I've already dealt with a decent share of abuse from people who think that they are justified until suddenly they weren't the minute that a) Summoner became an actual Final Fantasy Summoner instead of a poison mage and b) when Male Viera were added and even the people who hurled the worst insults at me ended up making multiple alts because they were such a massive success with the playerbase. Now that it's happening all over again, I can see the similarities plain as day. I've been criticized multiple times by the people I argued against for not using my main character on the forums, or any other social media really, specifically because I know there are unpoliced segments of the community that would go out of their way to go after me for whatever reason takes their fancy, because goodness knows I have some opinions that are at odds with a lot of people.

[VillainQueen]

First I wanna point out that mass reporting does not give a ban automatically. GMs handle everything on case by case basis and it doesn't matter if 100 people report something, if there is no violation, nothing will happen.
In Pyromancers case however, there is a violation. It was said time and time again add-ons and mods are against ToS, everyone knew it and the community handled it always as like the fight club, don't talk about it, don't show it and you'll be fine. Now more and more people stream ffxiv and many of them came from a gaming community that handled it differently, they refuse to adapt on how this community has it. There was no silent agreement on it anymore, people were openly displaying it and they knew the risk.
In the end it doesn't matter if it's only a QoL add-on or not, if they display it openly, it is what it is. And if SE doesn't stand firm by it's rules they would mean nothing and no one wants that either.

The Jp community uses the playstation much more than NA and EU does and especially now with the race to world first many felt disadvantaged because some players with add-ons do have an advantage. And they are right to feel this way to some extend. It's natural that they feel like SE has to be hold those who openly display them accountable, even if they do it out of spite, the jp community isn't totally in the wrong here for reporting. Even though I feel like it's the wrong way to open this conversation.

And a few words about pyromancer. This dude has issues and tbh if he get's banned I would not feel bad about it. He not only rages at his own chat, which is given some, if not all the time is bait, no if he f's up in a duty he insults his teammates and he once called a fellow WoW content creator a b*tch, because of a misunderstanding. This guy is not a good person and while I would not go out of my way to report him, I feel like the community would have not lost something if he is gone. I doubt other channels like Preach or Zepla would get in trouble as they are more reasonable and positive as an influence.

[Darkstride]

I even think I heard him call his chat "Dumbasses who pay my bills," but I may have misheard.

What he said was that he didn't want people in his chat who aren't even subscribed to treat him like they are paying his bills. Then people started giving him shit about talking down to non-subs. So that just made him even more defensive. But that's not what he was saying. He was trying to say "don't come on my stream and try to tell me what to do like you pay my bills", when those same people aren't even subscribed to his channel.

I saw that portion of the stream and did he overreact? Yes, absolutely. Also, Twitch chat really likes to push peoples' buttons and act ridiculous (generally speaking) and he wasn't having it. So I see both sides, although his rampage wasn't warranted. People in chat started mocking with "oh ban me" and trying to be cute, so he did.

As far as add-ons go with him, I always thought it was problematic (as far as risk) but I don't typically care what other people do if it has no direct effect on me. I liked watching his streams for the MSQ. In fairness, I genuinely don't know if he would have used addons if he hadn't been given the impression by the community that is was ok as long as you use them responsibly (not harassing others, etc).

[Aikaal]

Can't we alll just be friends? Don't make the birds sad.

[Deslyxic]

Pyromancer hid the vod and then copyright claimed a clip that someone uploaded to YT.
I saw it and let me tell you, this isn't SE or the community's fault, he brought this upon himself, chat was trying to warn him but he started throwing a tantrum, insulting people and even banning some. He claimed that didn't matter that console players can't use mods because he couldn't fathom that people could clear high-end content playing on console.