Is Pyromancer getting a perm ban for having Dalamud?

[YukikoKurosawa]

5chan is not a person.

[HollowedDoll]

5chan is not a person.

When did it become 5?

[OM3GA-Z3RO]

When did it become 5?

5chan is the Japanese 4chan, it's always been there.

[Myrany]

Sorry guys I just can't find any sympathy for any Youtuber/Streamer that gets a suspension or ban for 3rd party tools no matter who reported them.

Most of the folks have been making videos and doing streams long enough to know that all it takes is ticking off one person to start a report on any small thing they might be doing that is against the rules. If they are then foolish enough to show rule breaking in a stream or video? Yeah its their own fault.

No witch hunting is not a good thing. Being the subject of a witch hunt is no fun. That does not however absolve the victim of the witch hunt from guilt of doing something wrong in the first place. Nor should it lighten the punishment because they are famous and witch hunted.

These people knew they were breaking the rules. They knew they were in the public eye. They knew they were targets. The showed very publicly that they were breaking the rules. They got the not unexpected punishment.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

[Inanegrain]

Sorry guys I just can't find any sympathy for any Youtuber/Streamer that gets a suspension or ban for 3rd party tools no matter who reported them.

Most of the folks have been making videos and doing streams long enough to know that all it takes is ticking off one person to start a report on any small thing they might be doing that is against the rules. If they are then foolish enough to show rule breaking in a stream or video? Yeah its their own fault.

No witch hunting is not a good thing. Being the subject of a witch hunt is no fun. That does not however absolve the victim of the witch hunt from guilt of doing something wrong in the first place. Nor should it lighten the punishment because they are famous and witch hunted.

These people knew they were breaking the rules. They knew they were in the public eye. They knew they were targets. The showed very publicly that they were breaking the rules. They got the not unexpected punishment.

It breaks TOS, it's known.

What caused them to swing, not very known.

What's infuriating, bots and that I have to emphasize, the non rmt bots, scripters in either pve/pvp are out there and the only reason I can guess is because they're not streaming it.
But fine, maybe they're taking time again, even though they've survived waves since 5.2, it'll take a while before I decide to walk out to somewhere unexpected and find them again and keep praying that the scripters are rare encounters which they should but exist anyway.

I'd rather direct that attention onto them but no, it's a DSR stream that gets the attention for obvious reasons and people are whining that they're at fault even though they have no experience to comment on it. Twitter's another place where you'd have people insist on it only to find out they have NSFW/GPOSE related uses on their account, it doesn't affect anyone but the user, same for the DSR streams. Might as well ban all of them, no?

[Myrany]

It breaks TOS, it's known.

What caused them to swing, not very known.

What's infuriating, bots and that I have to emphasize, the non rmt bots, scripters in either pve/pvp are out there and the only reason I can guess is because they're not streaming it.

I'd rather direct that attention onto them but no, it's a DSR stream that gets the attention for obvious reasons and people are whining that they're at fault even though they have no experience to comment on it. Twitter's another place where you'd have people insist on it only to find out they have NSFW/GPOSE related uses on their account, it doesn't affect anyone but the user, same for the DSR streams. Might as well ban all of them, no?

I can certainly agree that the enforcement is uneven and shouldn't be. Yes I rather do think if you break the rules you should be the subject of enforcement. I don't care who an individual is (that is irrelevant). I don't care where they publicize the breaking of the rule. Break the rule --> enforcement should be how it works. It doesn't always and that is a problem.

Botting sucks and should have been shut down long since.

You and I do not seem to have diverging opinions.

[SwingLifeAway]

Is it really that hard for people to conceptualize that the ToS is potentially flawed and the enforcement of it is inconsistent?

[SeiyaSoiya]

should there be a penalty for abusing the report system like this?

[QT_Melon]

should there be a penalty for abusing the report system like this?

If the reports are not valid, yes. They can ban your account. If the reports are actually valid. No

A mass report doesn't ban you from the game, an investigation on the allegation and verifying the rules were indeed broken, will. A GM can act on 1 report and ban you if you broke said rules, a GM can also act on 500 reports and ban you if determined you broke the rules.

A GM cannot act on 500 reports or more if you didn't break the rules.

A GM CAN act on the people reporting just to report because THEY broke the rules on how to use the report system to target someone who did not break the rules. And they have acted on it as well.

[BokoToloko]

If the reports are not valid, yes. They can ban your account. If the reports are actually valid. No

A mass report doesn't ban you from the game, an investigation on the allegation and verifying the rules were indeed broken, will. A GM can act on 1 report and ban you if you broke said rules, a GM can also act on 500 reports and ban you if determined you broke the rules.

A GM cannot act on 500 reports or more if you didn't break the rules.

A GM CAN act on the people reporting just to report because THEY broke the rules on how to use the report system to target someone who did not break the rules. And they have acted on it as well.

While I don't condone the enormous drama people in the forum has built around this, the thing about mass reports or, more specifically, targeted mass reports, is that they are more successful than you give them credit for. And the reason they can be successful comes from two factors: the search the reporters perform on your history and the information that the GM gets a hand on.

On the first, when a mob is determined to get you banned, they will dig ANY kind of dirt they can get their hands on and not just one tiny mod in the screen. They can look for anything that can get you banned (in this thread's case, they could simply take many of the clips Pyro lets out a slur or trashes his twitch chat) and, while people can try to hide as much as possible, they're not flawless and, in a streamers case, you are liable to get mistakes exposed in plain sight. On the second, the mob can not only dig that information but they can also feed it to the GMs in a way that misconstrues the context and gives a whole different picture than what it really is.

And this will happen with any online game, regardless of community.