Is Pyromancer getting a perm ban for having Dalamud?

[Raige]

Thank you for attempting to categorize speech bubbles in the same vein as the other 3rd party tools that the overwhelming majority of the playerbase regularly denounces. In any case, wielding the ToS as a weapon against people you don’t like is still behavior that I’m not willing to put up with.

The FFXIV community already has a strained reputation for being insular and hostile to those who do not tow the line like everyone else, and this is just another example of that. The more takes I read that stem from this controversy the more I want to go off and play FFXI or single player titles because I have very limited patience for the kind of behavior that this situation has let out of the woodwork.

For real. I don't know what happened to the XIV community or where these people came from. I am from XI and have been in XIV since it's beginning and I just don't understand how we arrived here. Even in FFXI, damn near everyone used Windower. Nobody batted an eye at that plugin. It was the same secret handshake, "don't ask, don't tell." Streaming mods isn't a good move and will only bring attention to you, but the witch hunting and the desire to see people who use effing chat bubble mods or want to wear hats on their Vierras, screaching that they are cheaters and must be banned is gross. Like on a RL scale, y'all suck and need to really evaluate yourselves. Bots and Hacks can go to hell. We all agree on that, but let Tiffany77 wear a hat. Who cares?

[dapperfaffer]

Thank you for attempting to categorize speech bubbles in the same vein as the other 3rd party tools that the overwhelming majority of the playerbase regularly denounces. In any case, wielding the ToS as a weapon against people you don’t like is still behavior that I’m not willing to put up with.

The FFXIV community already has a strained reputation for being insular and hostile to those who do not tow the line like everyone else, and this is just another example of that. The more takes I read that stem from this controversy the more I want to go off and play FFXI or single player titles because I have very limited patience for the kind of behavior that this situation has let out of the woodwork.

This forum regularily wields the ToS as a weapon. It's part in parcel with posting on these forums. Thats why theres literally someone who says they would actually break the ToS for the forums to insult me if they knew they could get away with it and not be penalized, because they don't like that I want more chaos and whinging and shit flinging over, and of all things, QoL third part programs and streamers.

[juicebox9]

I don't get why people say that he advertises the game just by streaming it, and in the same breath say he doesn't advertise mods by using it while streaming. It's kind of a contradiction. That's the agreement on 3rd party tools, right? You don't talk about it, you don't use it for toxicity, you don't advertise it, SE won't enforce it so strictly, but you can't cry if you get caught because you know (and they already told you) it's against the rules.

And let's get this clear, people didn't get mad at him because of his stance on 3rd party tools/mods. People got mad at him because he berated people in his chat, and banned them for disagreeing with him. That only works for certain streamers' audience, and his audience is not one of them. He got a lot of people mad, and he got brigaded for it. The 3rd party stuff was just the ammunition Pyro gave those people to get him banned. He got brigaded, so you can't expect SE to put Pyro against probably at least dozens of reports and say to those reports, "Nah. This is all right."

[Inanegrain]

They're more likely to get banned if they harassed players in game.

[RobynDaBank]

They're more likely to get banned if they harassed players in game.

More like you're likely to get banned if you were harassed over them at this point...

[Inanegrain]

More like you're likely to get banned if you were harassed over them at this point...

I don't know how'd that work unless it's meant for witch hunters

[YukikoKurosawa]

Still waiting for an explanation for how getting SE to enforce their own rules by reporting someone for breaking said rules is witch hunting.

Some galactic levels of mental gymnastics going on here.

[LittleImp]

Still waiting for an explanation for how getting SE to enforce their own rules by reporting someone for breaking said rules is witch hunting.

Some galactic levels of mental gymnastics going on here.

From Meriam-Webster:
"the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (such as political opponents) with unpopular views"

It's specifically the harassment and seeking behavior that turns something into a Witch Hunt, not whether or not the person is right or wrong.