The struggle of Addons, is very real.

[Shurrikhan]

I mean Arthas got suspended for having ACT running during a stream badmouthing a blm and his fans went to bother the blm.

^

More than a matter of whether outside information was accepted or not, the GMs only moved when actual harm was being done -- in this case, dogpiling/harassment on/of a player.

[Sebazy]

This seems to be the only board blowing up over the recent re-affirmation of the ToS on 3rd party tools and people getting temp bans for using them while streaming or in their posted vids...

Case in point. Back at the start of Heavensward, SCH had the potential to do absolutely absurd DPS in dungeons, more than most DPS jobs actually. However doing it well leant very heavily on dot damage which the game did a particularly bad job of quantifying to the player back then.

So I made a video guide explaining how to do it and showed metrics to confirm my findings and methods. Obviously the ToS was broken doing so.

I got a ~14 day forum ban for it and a warning in game.

Whilst I wasn't particularly pleased with it, in hindsight it was fair. They made their point. The warning in game meant I had to be more careful going forward and importantly, it didn't curb stomp my imminent Gordias progression with my group.

Don't underestimate how impactful these 10 day temp bans are on not only the streamer themselves, but the rest of their group. You can't simply sub someone into ultimate content and carry on like nothing happened. On content this difficult and precise? It's practically a progression reset, that's some serious time investment gone and IMHO it's just not warranted given some of these bans were over little more than UI fluff that SE seemingly want to implement themselves.

[Droxybrobotnik]

No it's not. Don't talk about it or show it and you're good. What are they gonna do, hack into your computer and look at your files? Until they can actually be assed to look at the most popular addons and whitelist those they like you'll just have to hush hush, like always

[Hazama999]

Chat bubbles saved my life.

[Vav2021]

this should be how the game should be streamed. no add-ons in sight. a vanilla experience to behold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hSuwKKxcmg

I actually laughed. I was crossing my fingers that he'd end up playing some mid 2000s meme music at ultra low quality in the background.

[technole]

there is the perspective of chat bubbles = probably using other add-ons. Scratch and sniff. If you use it yourself but don't stream that's not likely to harm anyone, like any UI change.

But if you stream or make any content, you are now subject to the FFXIV materials usage license. So it's a bit more than just no add-ons, it's also modifying the content in a way they don't approve, which was likely what they used to claim that youtube video.

[Vav2021]

Disregarding The Accidental double post I made in my own thread.

So you are saying that essentially if I don't bring attention to using UI related stuff, it's not ban worthy?

I mean, I can understand things like textures and model tampering because folks can make priority targets larger. (Sorry folks that have those models that make the cat girl breaststroke the size of watermelons).

[Vav2021]

this should be how the game should be streamed. no add-ons in sight. a vanilla experience to behold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hSuwKKxcmg

I actually laughed. I was crossing my fingers that he'd end up playing some mid 2000s meme music at ultra low quality in the background.

[MiaShino]

Do not even poses one fraction of the experience my uncle or other extended family do dealing with this. Even I can state most confidently that waging wars against mods/addons is never something that ends in anything but sadness.

Allowing them and implementing proper modding api would enable not only console user access to addons, it would give Square method for curating. There would be clear definition of what is or is not allowed from start. QoL could be left to community members and implemented quickly. With proper mod API addons could be installed from within the game (whichever are allowed by them).

Why do something simple and efficient though when full scorched earth make everyone feisty is option instead.

[Vav2021]

I think that's a good idea in lou of punishing people for using addons that don't really change the difficulty of the game. Chat bubbles, different UI frames, maybe enhanced social interface.