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[Stasya]

I think the difference is proof. If a streamer shows their screen with all sorts of addons running that's proof they're using them. If a guy is gathering stuff like clockwork it could be a bot but it could also be a meticulous autist. They can't just ban people for being weird, they need to have something that counts as evidence.

Or just you need to be less SE whiteknight. /tell to any reported bot -> doesn't response and continues actions on repeat -> put in jail -> gm laughs as bot tries to his stuff -> ban. But this requires actual work, for GMs it's easier to do nothing everyday and only go onto people who are literally witch hunted by coordinated people.

Also i am taking your "bot that you saw might be a real human" as an insult. It is a bot, i have gatherers at 90, i have saw that bot not only when i gathered different sands before 6.05 but even now when i just go for moonlight one for my needs ... i still see same character with same gear/glam/mount used rotating in same pattern over and over.

And just to add how GMs blatanly doesn't care about botting, like 2-3 months ago there were numerous bots at vendor near limsa bell (iirc it was on Odin and other server). It took like 3 days for these bots to be banned (poor guys had broken script so lazy GMs had to take action).

[Fawkes]

Or just you need to be less SE whiteknight. /tell to any reported bot -> doesn't response and continues actions on repeat -> put in jail -> gm laughs as bot tries to his stuff -> ban. But this requires actual work, for GMs it's easier to do nothing everyday and only go onto people who are literally witch hunted by coordinated people.

Also i am taking your "bot that you saw might be a real human" as an insult. It is a bot, i have gatherers at 90, i have saw that bot not only when i gathered different sands before 6.05 but even now when i just go for moonlight one for my needs ... i still see same character with same gear/glam/mount used rotating in same pattern over and over.

And just to add how GMs blatanly doesn't care about botting, like 2-3 months ago there were numerous bots at vendor near limsa bell (iirc it was on Odin and other server). It took like 3 days for these bots to be banned (poor guys had broken script so lazy GMs had to take action).

I'm not defending SE I'm explaining how they function. Something with direct evidence is going to get acted on. Seeing a guy in the same gear going on the same route is not direct evidence, it's circumstantial. From SE's point of view, the possibility exists that he's not a bot.

It's also why we have the "rule" that it's ok to use addons as long as you don't say you're doing it in ingame chat.

[MellowMink]

The whataboutism takes are coming in full force today.

[Ransu]

I report all bots I come across.
I dunno why you're trying to compare one type of cheating to another.

Imagine thinking using dalmund or act is actually cheating...Neither of those programs are detrimental to the game like bots are, especially the ones that plague the market board.

[Canadane]

Imagine thinking using dalmund or act is actually cheating...Neither of those programs are detrimental to the game like bots are, especially the ones that plague the market board.

No imagination required, friend.

[Nav_Fae]

Imagine thinking using dalmund or act is actually cheating...Neither of those programs are detrimental to the game like bots are, especially the ones that plague the market board.

Imagine trying to argue against the rules and think you're going to make a difference for it. It's a third party tool. Doesn't have to be cheating. The rules say all third party tools are disallowed. Meanwhile we have people trying to find loopholes and make things harder on the devs because they just cannot take accountability for their actions.

You don't get to pick what you think is and isn't detrimental to the game when the rule is a blanket statement that covers every single last one of them in one roof.

It's like when people say "nude mods of this race is okay" but then also say "Nude mods of this particular race is not okay and we should report these people" It's hypocritical cherry picking.
Which is where this all ties together. Quick Launcher it self may not be detrimental but what it does do is enable modifications for things that are detrimental.

[Ransu]

Imagine trying to argue against the rules and think you're going to make a difference for it. It's a third party tool. Doesn't have to be cheating. The rules say all third party tools are disallowed. Meanwhile we have people trying to find loopholes and make things harder on the devs because they just cannot take accountability for their actions.

You don't get to pick what you think is and isn't detrimental to the game when the rule is a blanket statement that covers every single last one of them in one roof.

It's like when people say "nude mods of this race is okay" but then also say "Nude mods of this particular race is not okay and we should report these people" It's hypocritical cherry picking.
Which is where this all ties together. Quick Launcher it self may not be detrimental but what it does do is enable modifications for things that are detrimental.

Enough backlash will make them change their stance on things. Especially if the reduction in streamers leads to a reduction in player count...something that always goes hand in hand.

[Stasya]

Enough backlash will make them change their stance on things. Especially if the reduction in streamers leads to a reduction in player count...something that always goes hand in hand.

SE white knights simply do not care. Devs literally in LL with grins imply "w/e use act but if you harras person over it we 100% ban". Can you imagine, you play game and bigger font cooldowns is harassing lunatics on 5ch/NA that abuse mass reports and lie in them?
For SE white knights it's useless to report bots because they can't gloat about ban, they just want to see people suffer on stream.... (and if se ban more bots/rmt how se white knights will buy more gil?)
Yoshi P himself uses act like program. I do wonder if banned people had UI mod that Yoshi probably uses himself aswell ....

[Skiros]

I report all bots I come across.
I dunno why you're trying to compare one type of cheating to another.

Oh yes:

RMT botting is as much of a cheat as chat bubbles.

PVP speedhacking bots is as much of a cheat as UI mods.

Savage ACR bots, doing your entire rotation for you, is as much of a cheat as buff timers.

Maybe they should target the severe forms of cheating first and leave people who literally don't harm anyone else with their chat bubbles and UI mods alone?

[Droxybrobotnik]

I report all bots I come across.
I dunno why you're trying to compare one type of cheating to another.

You know, a lot of peopl responded to you with some reasonable answers you might have thought of.
I don't see what's so "king" about you. You just seem like a guy with forum opinions who thinks he's cool.