Use of tools that allow players to more easily complete content. Discord?

[sagacious]

Discord is fine. Its pure futility to try and stop peole from using voice chats even se knows that.

Yes but is it against that statement they posted? or are you saying shuuuuuuu use just don't tell anyone shuuuuuu

[Avenger]

Remember that:

1) FFXIV works out of the box with PlayStation voice chat
2) SE collaborated with Panasonic to make a custom FFXIV version of the SoundSlayer wearable gaming speaker, which includes a microphone for voice chat
3) Discord, being owned by Sony, is more of a second-party tool, and
4) Sony enables you to link your PSN and Discord accounts and to show your game activity (including FFXIV) on your Discord user profile

For these reasons, I find it very unlikely that Discord would (or should) be considered an unauthorized third-party tool.

Similarly I don't expect that FFXIV wikis like gamerescape or consolegameswiki would be considered unauthorized third-party tools, particularly considering that SE has a community relationship with them.

I also wouldn't consider streaming tools to be considered unauthorized third party tool, and I'm pretty sure SE encourages streaming. The fact that they explicitly ask streamers not to spoil the story early in the patch indicates that streaming in general is acceptable.

[sagacious]

1) FFXIV works out of the box with PlayStation voice chat

2) Discord, being owned by Sony, is more of a second-party tool

Thank you I can stop worrying

[Havenchild]

Yes but is it against that statement they posted? or are you saying shuuuuuuu use just don't tell anyone shuuuuuu

Discord does NOT fall into the category "natively" of what SE consider's a third party tool by definition.

"Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data."

Discord does not modify game files.
Discord does not analyze the game files.
Discord does not integrate with the game files.
Discord is not reverse engineering the game files.

But then again, I feel people who reference Discord with this line of reasoning are being intellectually dishonest as you know what they are referring to.

Obviously there are also people fishing for them to take a stance on Discord. And there is the obviously waiting GOTCHA moment when they do that in regards to ACT callouts and if they ban someone for that.

[Arzalis]

Discord does NOT fall into the category "natively" of what SE consider's a third party tool by definition.

"Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data."

Discord does not modify game files.
Discord does not analyze the game files.
Discord does not integrate with the game files.
Discord is not reverse engineering the game files.

But then again, I feel people who reference Discord with this line of reasoning are being intellectually dishonest as you know what they are referring to.

Obviously there are also people fishing for them to take a stance on Discord. And there is the obviously waiting GOTCHA moment when they do that in regards to ACT callouts and if they ban someone for that.

Discord reads your system memory to see what games you're playing, including FFXIV. It also has an overlay that integrates with the game to show who's talking.

Pretty sure Discord technically does fall under their definition of "Third Party Tool," just that they obviously have no desire to dish out punishments for using it. It does illustrate their definition is kinda bad though. The vague definition is only for their benefit. Not ours.

[Havenchild]

Discord reads your system memory to see what games you're playing, including FFXIV. It also has an overlay that integrates with the game to show who's talking.

Pretty sure Discord technically does fall under their definition of "Third Party Tool," just that they obviously have no desire to dish out punishments for using it. It does illustrate their definition is kinda bad though. The vague definition is only for their benefit. Not ours.

Discord isn't integrating directly with the games files to provide said overlay. It is integrating with your system files. That is literally not the same thing.
Discord overlay also works with programs that are NOT video games. It doesn't even know where your installation of said video games ARE.

This argument IS part of the intellectually dishonest strawman.

[Arzalis]

Discord isn't integrating directly with the games files to provide said overlay. It is integrating with your system files. That is literally not the same thing.
Discord overlay also works with programs that are NOT video games. It doesn't even know where your installation of said video games ARE.

This argument IS part of the intellectually dishonest strawman.

Discord was explicitly named by YoshiP himself on live letter as something that does technically violate their ToS due to the vagueness of the wording. So unless you're claiming he's intellectually dishonest too, you're just kinda wrong in this case. Yes, they will never issue an account action over it, but it's still violating ToS.

[Havenchild]

Discord was explicitly named by YoshiP himself on live letter as something that does technically violate their ToS due to the vagueness of the wording. So unless you're claiming he's intellectually dishonest too, you're just kinda wrong in this case.

If I'm not mistaken, he paraphrased it as... "then we'll be asked about Discord ehhh"
Feel free to send me the video

[sagacious]

Discord does NOT fall into the category "natively" of what SE consider's a third party tool by definition.

"Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data."

Discord does not modify game files.
Discord does not analyze the game files.
Discord does not integrate with the game files.
Discord is not reverse engineering the game files.

But then again, I feel people who reference Discord with this line of reasoning are being intellectually dishonest as you know what they are referring to.

Obviously there are also people fishing for them to take a stance on Discord. And there is the obviously waiting GOTCHA moment when they do that in regards to ACT callouts and if they ban someone for that.

no I follow Xenosys Vex and he said according to that statement discord was one