Use of tools that allow players to more easily complete content. Discord?

[DreadCrow]

Is this a personal opinion, because i see nowhere where discord is clarified as a usable 3rd party tool by an official square enix representative.

People can say what they want, but until square enix fronts up and lists what is and is not a tool, then everything is considered against ToS.

If they ban Discord users, they would ban the vast majority of the North American (and probably European and Oceanic) user base. As in, literally everyone I know who plays the game has Discord, which they use for all sorts of things. Trying to make the argument "Discord is the sort of third party tool they are totally talking about" is either a.) being deliberately disingenuous which means you're not really trying to have a real conversation, or b.) you're trying to be hyperbolic to point out the vagueness of the ToS without realizing
everyone knows what kind of mods Yoshi-P is talking about.

[DreadCrow]

And, personally, I think this policy is stupid and plenty of other devs manage to outline what's acceptable and what's not, so it's not nearly as impossible as Yoshi keeps saying. But they'd rather have a blanket ban on everything, and leave us guessing on what exactly they won't enforce and occasionally change the enforcement as in the last day or two.

As long as console players make up a major part of Final Fantasy XIV's player base, officially, every sort of third-party tool or add-on will be against TOS. Unofficially, I highly doubt SE cares all that much unless you're doing some obvious cheating or openly streaming it. That's should be common sense... But it feel like this whole "debate" has shown me that people don't have common sense.

[Droxybrobotnik]

Discord doesn't interact with or modify the game. The rest you should be able to work out.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

Discord doesn't interact with or modify the game. The rest you should be able to work out.

I'm just assuming this is all a giant bait thread, if anyone unironically thinks Discord is an illegal program despite the fact what you said.....well....there's bigger problems.

[Lufir]

It's obviously bait, but an ounce of me does think that the person thought this was a smart debate starter.

[lennit]

does this mean there is going to be no bard music, unless you know how to smash those notes on your keyboard

[Avidria]

So does steam, m8. Can we ban steam as well!?

Please do, get me off this platform :P

[Saraide]

Discord is obviously allowed. We all agree on how stupid it would be if it wasnt. The point of threads like this is not to argue that discord should get you banned, it's to prove that just pointing at the ToS and go "well read what's written" is meaningless. Rules need to be interpreted for the goal they are trying to achieve, not followed to the letter. The ToS are not meant to enable malicious brigade reports, they are meant to solve actual problems. No one who report brigaded had an actual problem with the first streamer they hit, it was just to try it out.

Hardcore rule sticking does not prevent loopholes from being exploited, it creates them. Rather than asking what does a rule say, you should be asking what does it mean to achieve. Remember, if the only thing bad about an action is that it's illegal then it shouldnt be illegal at all. An action has to be illegal because it's bad, not the other way around.

And a lot of mods/third party tools dont have a negative impact or provide more upsides than downsides. In the case of ACT it's already covered under harassment if you decide to be a toxic person with ACT.

I reject this notion that if SE would do nothing after mass reports it would harm their reputation and make them look incompetent. It proves the opposite. It shows that they wont just cave in to some stupid demand just because a lot of malicious people yell about it. Instead they commit to their current approach. What makes them look incompetent is at the same time admitting that the UI features in this game are lacking and then banning people for fixing it.

Overall streamers will survive having ACT off screen and a vanilla UI. It's nothing more than a meaningless token gesture afterall. What I think SE should take a hard stance on is hyper toxic forums like the one that instigated this report brigade. They are not doing it to make the game better, they're doing it for "fun". And SE has the means to act on them. They have the records on who participated in the report brigades and they can terminate any account for any reason. They have the means, they just lack the conviction to make sure their own ToS are used with good intentions.

[sagacious]

I'm just assuming this is all a giant bait thread, if anyone unironically thinks Discord is an illegal program despite the fact what you said.....well....there's bigger problems.

Not true and after readding all of these threads I am still unsure if discord is allowed or not

[sagacious]

It's obviously bait, but an ounce of me does think that the person thought this was a smart debate starter.

I don't like debate I like answers and the fact remains discord remains shrouded in uncertainty