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  1. #51
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    Aelin Ashriver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    This community, I swear. Acting indignant as if even thinking about modding a game makes you a baby-eater. The TOS is a legal document, not a religious text.
    Certainly not baby eaters. I see plenty sharing similar sentiment to mine, you do you and keep it to yourself. This has been the general consensus for a while and it went out the window recently for streamers. What the 5chan peeps are doing is petty af, but they wouldn't have the ammo if the streamer hadn't handed it to them on a silver platter. And even besides that, the JP console players have a fair point to be angry about, PC players gave themselves significant advantages over someone playing purely on console. When it comes to something as competitive as a world first ofc they will be mad and ofc the rest of the time no1 gives a crap because nothing is at stake.

    Some of the community, like me, are bemused at people losing their mind over getting punished (or the threat of punishment seeing the ban on streamer) after they literally live stream themselves breaking ToS on a world first race. As Yoshi P has said, they do not know what we are running on our PC, they do not check and they do not WANT to check. So ultimately its a huge chunk of people getting butthurt on behalf of a couple streamers being banned for knowingly flaunting their rule breaking when they are at no real risk themselves unless they too decide to record and broadcast their own breaking of ToS.
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    Asha Valith
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    There's no way on earth they'd ever do this.

    First and foremost, even company's that officially approve of mods (such as Bethesda) state that using mods more or less means any issue you have with your game is your own to deal with... That works, for a single player game. But for an online, live service game? It would never work.

    Two, the game has a large console user base, which won't have access to mods, so they have to officially disallow all of them. Unofficially, they know they can't ban everyone who uses "third party tools" since they technically count Discord as a third party tool... And absolutely no one in their right mind would think its smart to ban people with Discord who play the game and use it to communicate since that's like almost all the North American and European player base.
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  3. #53
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    Chryden Speakel
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    Add-ons are not allowed, none of them.
    But no one will judge you for using them when they don't know.

    See mods like speeding with a car.
    No one really cares when you do it alone on a straight street at night with only 10 km/h above allowed.
    But when you do it at rush hour and involving others by passing them, then the chances increase that you will get punished for it.
    Or many people speed on the empty night street and some of them taking it to the extreme by speeding far more then "just" 10km/h. In that case the police will bring a complete stop to all speeding on that street, even for these "harmless" who do it only under save conditions.
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    Kirya Nordrain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    This community, I swear. Acting indignant as if even thinking about modding a game makes you a baby-eater. The TOS is a legal document, not a religious text.
    It's work the other way as well. We all signed that when we made our accounts and thus we should be held accountable should we break those terms. Yet we act like we shouldn't.

    While mods themselves don't make people toxic we tend to overly rely on the more helpful ones. Sometimes it's justified to a degree like numerous hud mods in WoW. Sometimes less so like various combat trackers that still become borderline requirement for high end groups (which often bleeds to lower tiers since they are learning from the example set by the best). Recent race for World First is a good example of it. I believe it's safe to say that all groups that held even remote chance at being the first used ACT including Automated call outs portion of it. Yes I know you have to set them on your own this early into the raid's lifespan but I can't help but see them as an advantage. Ultimately you just allowed 9th party member to take off the duty from someone else who'd otherwise stay be watching and making them. It's never as simple as good or bad.
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    Last edited by Jaquan; 05-11-2022 at 04:39 PM.

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    The is an unambiguous list, that list has zero entries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilisidi View Post
    The is an unambiguous list, that list has zero entries.
    I hope more people make this witty and original post
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    It's not going to happen. They are never going to make a list of accepted add-ons because add-ons tend to change and develop over time. It would be a waste of time monitoring every single one and periodically updating the list.
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    Never going to happen, no point asking.
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    Mirn Armaya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    I always love when people ask for clearly defined rules, so they can skirt them as closely as technically possible.
    Hence SE is blurring the lines in hope the players are intimidated enough not to 'test the waters'.

    And I think that's good.
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    Larirawiel Caennalys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y2K21 View Post
    nor GShade
    Gshade does not affect the game files. It is an API wrapper.


    Cheers
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