Just give us a list of what addons we can use.

[Catwho]

I think of it like the speed limit while driving.

You are supposed to drive the speed LIMIT as a maximum.

If you drive 5 miles over it? Nobody really cares. You won't get pulled over unless you are drunk or hit a child or do something stupid.

If you drive 30 miles over it? You are probably going to get pulled over.

But both of those are still driving over the speed limit, which is technically illegal.

I drive 5-10 miles over all the time and I've never been pulled over for speeding. I know plenty of people (including my spouse) who went 30 miles over and paid dearly for it in the form of a hefty fine.

I know I'm still breaking the law. If I asked a police officer, they would tell me I am breaking the law.

So ALL THIRD PARTY TOOLS ARE AGAINST TOS is their stance, and most people will respect that. And hopefully, most of us will stick to only driving 5-10 miles over the speed limit without hitting pedestrians along the way.

Imagine thinking that modifying the UI or graphics gives someone an advantage lmao

In this case, the graphics showed the predictive AOE patterns in DSR. That was going 30 miles over the speed limit, while filming it for the cops to see.

[LittleImp]

I am pretty sure that by 3rd party tools Yoshi P refers to programs that hook specifically into FFXIV executable and modify the game's UI or graphics to give the player an advantage.
Using Discord, a completely indepedent program, at the same time than FFXIV doesn't constitute a violation of the TOS.

I swear people are drawing strays to justify the use of mods.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post1408111

[Rolder50]

In this case, the graphics showed the predictive AOE patterns in DRS. That was going 30 miles over the speed limit, while filming it for the cops to see.

Except the people who got banned were not using those, they were using the 5 MPH mods like ACT. If were going to continue this analogy, it's like SE threw the 5 MPH people in prison in the hope it would stop the 30 MPH people in the process. Except it won't because they aren't dumb enough to get caught.

[Shibi]

And hopefully, most of us will stick to only driving 5-10 miles over the speed limit without hitting pedestrians along the way.

Maximum highway speed limit here is 110kmh, police actively book pretty much everyone doing more than 2 or 4 kmh over.

You r stated 17kmh over, pretty close to 130kmh that puts you well and truly into ticket territory. $363 fine and 3 demerit points. Just a few kmh more (25 kmh over to be exact) and you've passed into mandatory losing your license for 3 months.

Even in built up areas, which is 50kmh here, your 17kmh over is pushing you almost up to 70kmh. That's an insane speed and a danger to kids and other road users!

Your friends 50kmh excess here is a $1000 fine, and 12 months mandatory suspension, with possible impounding of the car and having it crushed.

[Batbrat]

Just so we're clear since apparently a lot of you can't read, yoshi said he would like it if you used none but that he cant stop you from doing it unless you stream it, so if you want to do it then he can't stop you, but if you stream it then you'll be stopped. So what that means is if you wanted to use a mod, he has no way of knowing and it doesnt bother him. but if you stream yourself using it, thats bothersome and if someone reports you for it, you'll get banned.

Ok once again because I know some have trouble with reading comprehension.
Modifications. If you use, there is no way to tell. The only way to tell is if you stream and a viewer tells support.
All modifications. Modifications which directly modify your game client. The game client itself. Attaching onto the game Final FantasyXIV client.

If you add a modification to your Final FantasyXIV client, you will not get in trouble.
If you stream and you have a modification clearly attached directly onto your Final FantasyXIV client and a viewer tells support, you will get in trouble.

In case you're wondering what you can do, here is what you can do.
Do not stream if you have modifications directly applied onto your Final FantasyXIV video game client.
Thank you.

[Raoabolic]

Just so we're clear since apparently a lot of you can't read, yoshi said he would like it if you used none but that he cant stop you from doing it unless you stream it, so if you want to do it then he can't stop you, but if you stream it then you'll be stopped.

So in short, no more streaming world first races. GCBTW. :^)

[Velnora]

According to Yoshida as long as you're not botting they are all ok, as long as you keep it to yourself.

https://gamerescape.com/2014/02/12/p...naoki-yoshida/

"GE: Recently, there has been noise from players about parsers, mods and third-party applications being used with Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn and about people getting warned, suspended or even banned by GMs for using such applications. There was also mention of a plug-in API for the game. We were wondering what the policy was, your stance on it, and how you were approaching these issues. Some players are a bit worried and don’t want to get banned.

Yoshida: This is a very difficult question to answer. We are first and foremost a software company, and as a software company we cannot really approve of anyone modifying our product in any way. We would prefer it if everyone played within the original design of the software, otherwise we can’t really guarantee the quality of the product itself. Officially, the policy is that any additions or modification to the game are against the rules and privacy policy and when playing our game, everyone has to have gone through the steps to agree to the Terms and Conditions when you sign up.

However, I too am a hardcore PC gamer so I understand that there are a lot of plug-ins and add-ons available to many games. So as a PC gamer, all I can really say is “Please, don’t get caught.” If you are going to use add-ons and plug-ins please be discrete about it. Don’t go around telling your friends you mod the game on chat, or ask a GM if using such an add-on is ok. We can’t really go around and check if add-ons and plug-ins will work with our game and debug it, and check that it doesn’t break anything – its too much. Really what it comes down to is I can’t really say “Yes” to these things, and players have to realize that by using an application that accesses game files that they are the ones that are assuming the risk of viruses and possibly compromising their account.

And as you probably know, Final Fantasy XI had a particularly strict policy on this kind of thing, so there are quite a few players out there who moved from XI to XIV who definitely view any kind of add-on to the game as bad. So please, just be discrete if you will be using tools or add-ons."

In other words, another case of the "We can't be bothered to make them work with the game. Even though they do work."

It's always an excuse with them.

[Packetdancer]

Yeah well i know of one statement of a community representative, Hvinire said it would be alright i think.

In 2013, I will note. I've pointed out that post myself on various occasions in the past, but we should recognize that the policy may have changed since then.

But yeah, reshade and gshade don't interact with the gamedata itself i believe but work through directx itself. Thus it doesn't interact with the gamedata itself BUT gshade as far as i know uses an overlay system for the game which would mean it does interact with gamedata since it starts automatically as soon as the game starts.

The super-simplified version of how ReShade or GShade works is by replacing either the Direct 3D or DXGI DLLs with their own version. That version mostly just passes things through to DirectX, but takes the opportunity to do post-processing on the actual output framebuffer. The in-game overlay is not, technically, happening in the game code, but in the DirectX pipeline.

However, it is happening in the game's process; the way it intercepts and proxies DirectX is by putting its own DLL in the game's folder; programs will load their own local version of DirectX before falling back to the system one, which means the game goes to load DirectX and loads the shader system instead (which then loads DirectX on the game's behalf).

The practical upshot of which is that ReShade cannot modify the game's actual operating code in any way, but it can modify the framebuffer after the game is done with it. (Which is how the menu overlay for ReShade works; it's just stamped on top of the end result of the game's rendering code.)

Conversely, Nvidia's Freestyle (their own ReShade equivalent, albeit with far fewer built-in shaders and a maximum of 4 presets) happens down in Nvidia's driver layer, meaning the code for Freestyle is not actually in the FFXIV process; arguably, it falls into the same area as monitor color calibration and such.

So if you really wanted to get nitpicky on the technical details, it would be possible for them to say ReShade and its forks are formally prohibited, but still allow Freestyle.

I do not think they're likely to enforce the ToS against ReShade/GShade, no. Aesthetic mods that do not alter the game's operation are unlikely to be high-value targets for enforcement, I'd imagine.

But that doesn't mean I think it would be super smart to stream while using it, because I can absolutely imagine people maliciously reporting people, and I don't think anyone's put to the test how hard the hammer will come down if they're forced to go pay attention to something instead of allowing it to skate beneath the radar.

(Whereas if you're posting just images, there's some degree of plausible deniability. Even if they know you probably used ReShade or GShade, if they're not super keen on enforcing it they can easily dismiss it with "Well, it might've been a normal unchanged screenshot they did things to in Photoshop.")

[TaleraRistain]

Maximum highway speed limit here is 110kmh, police actively book pretty much everyone doing more than 2 or 4 kmh over.

You r stated 17kmh over, pretty close to 130kmh that puts you well and truly into ticket territory. $363 fine and 3 demerit points. Just a few kmh more (25 kmh over to be exact) and you've passed into mandatory losing your license for 3 months.

Even in built up areas, which is 50kmh here, your 17kmh over is pushing you almost up to 70kmh. That's an insane speed and a danger to kids and other road users!

Your friends 50kmh excess here is a $1000 fine, and 12 months mandatory suspension, with possible impounding of the car and having it crushed.

I'd focus less on how the numbers correlate and instead what your measure would be. The highway speed limit in the US is about 60 to 65 in a lot of places. These limits were set in like the 70s and have never really been adjusted. Average speed of traffic is usually between 70 to 85. That's why going 65 to 70 or even 80 isn't a big deal here and you're usually the one being a traffic obstruction if you go slower than that. The rules are still on the books so anyone going above could get caught in a speed trap, which does happen when cops need to fill their quotas. But usually the cops are also going the higher average speed because our speed limits are just set laughably low.

And even then, that person going 90 that the poster you quoted described is probably just going to get a ticket unless they were also doing something else reckless. Tickets aren't cheap and there are things that can be done that get you points on your license or having it revoked. But not often a single speeding ticket.

[Jaquan]

Honestly there's no realistic way FFXIV team ever stamps a seal of approval on any 3rd party add-on. The moment they do they'd be expected to take responsibility for it. If add-on breaks something they'll be the ines expected to fix it, keep up with it's updates and make sure it doesn't change in a way they didn't want to. A lot of extra work.

The other is well. Would you willingly open the Pandora box of internet "lawyers" looking for loopholes?