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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    There were warnings, sure, but very little action. Two wrongs never make a right, but in my opinion, SE is more at fault here than the player base. Don't make warnings if you don't have the balls to back them up, I say. They let this situation get out of hand.
    yet when they crack down, you people whine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stasya View Post
    You do know that in real world you can get in trouble if you lie to cops that you called?
    you do realize the one who got suspended streamed proof of his crime right.
    Why would people have the need to lie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hagare View Post
    yet when they crack down, you people whine.
    I'm probably one of a few people who have outright admitted to supporting SE on their right to enforce their ToS, so...I just feel it comes too late is all. I'm not whining. Just wondering what took SE so long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    I'm probably one of a few people who have outright admitted to supporting SE on their right to enforce their ToS, so...I just feel it comes too late is all. I'm not whining. Just wondering what took SE so long.
    During a high profile world first race, and people submitting mass reports - that's probably what did it. It should have been enforced from the start if this is how they were going to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    During a high profile world first race, and people submitting mass reports - that's probably what did it. It should have been enforced from the start if this is how they were going to do it.
    what you run into though, is that they likely figured, from the start, that saying, "dont do this, please dont do this, we may start banning over this so please just dont" would work. basically.... people. ran out of chances. and SE ran out of thinking people would just stop.

    you can say "oh this is too severe" but its working isnt it? people are talking about it, and anyone going forward who streams while using a 3rd party, knows they could be banned as well.

    there is always a first person to be banned.. or caught breaking some new law. the streamer wanted attention, well, I say they got it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    what you run into though, is that they likely figured, from the start, that saying, "dont do this, please dont do this, we may start banning over this so please just dont" would work.
    Arguably their first mistake, in my opinion. Asking nicely on the internet usually falls on deaf ears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Arguably their first mistake, in my opinion. Asking nicely on the internet usually falls on deaf ears.
    I dont disagree. I think they believed however, in the same values as the game they create, people are inherently good and will do the right thing, follow the rules, people will make the right choices....

    humanity however, and especially if you spend any forum time at all, will take any advantage they can of rules if it benefits them somehow, despite being warned. Then reserve the right to scream as loud as possible that they have been "wronged"
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    As a bunch of other people already said, a suspension is a warning because it's not permanent. I have hundreds of games I haven't played in 10 days, it's not that big a deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Arguably their first mistake, in my opinion. Asking nicely on the internet usually falls on deaf ears.
    That's not exactly true. I mean, obviously it is for a certain group of people or we wouldn't be here discussing this, but the vast majority of players do not use any sort of mods to the game and I truly believe that many of those would have if SE had not ever asked them to not in the first place. For most people just knowing the rules is enough, and they are not going around pushing boundaries and risking their accounts.
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