Why not a warning?

[Vahlnir]

but years of warnings in live letters and posting by Yoshi saying "dont use 3rd party addons" isnt warning enough? apparently a lot of people DID ignore those. The ToS saying "dont use 3rd party software" isnt enough of a warning?

I understand you are in the camp of "well they said not to do it for years, but this is the first time they caught me so it should just be a GM visit and I am scott free" but I think a suspension is a firmer version of "dont do this" since verbal warnings, written warning have not been enough. a vacation does tend to ensure compliance. which is why I think they need to start banning gil buyers, do that enough times and the sellers will not be selling that much, and the number of bots decrease. banning brings the tenuous nature of your connection to your game account to the forefront.. a chat with a GM does not.

There were warnings, sure, but very little action. Two wrongs never make a right, but in my opinion, SE is more at fault here than the player base. Don't make warnings if you don't have the balls to back them up, I say. They let this situation get out of hand.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

There were warnings, sure, but very little action. Two wrongs never make a right, but in my opinion, SE is more at fault here than the player base. Don't make warnings if you don't have the balls to back them up, I say. They let this situation get out of hand.

I think the problem is they didn't want to have to get heavy handed, but in the last year things have gotten more and more excessive with people flouting their mods and plug-ins in SE and the publics faces.


Like, everyone knows raiders use act. But people used to hide it a lot more. Now we've got people stream g with plug-ins, ui mods, and all sorts of modifications all over in plain site.


Like... They did this to themselves, and this is a case of thinking nothing would happen because "reasons"

[Ranhansha]

There were warnings, sure, but very little action. Two wrongs never make a right, but in my opinion, SE is more at fault here than the player base. Don't make warnings if you don't have the balls to back them up, I say. They let this situation get out of hand.

S-E were at fault for not doing something at first, for being lenient, but they can't be at fault since they are doing what they are supposed to do: applying their ToS against those players who are breaking them. They have decided that enough is enough. No one would be this mad if measures were taken against bots, no matter how late. People who use 3rd party tools were given a kind of "free pass" for a while and now they don't have it they are losing their mind. Well, you were never supposed to have it and you know it. Enough with the mental gymnastics. YOU WERE NEVER ALLOWED. End of discussion.

[Vahlnir]

S-E were at fault for not doing something at first, for being lenient, but they can't be at fault since they are doing what they are supposed to do: applying their ToS against those players who are breaking them. They have decided that enough is enough. No one would be this mad if measures were taken against bots, no matter how late. People who use 3rd party tools were given a kind of "free pass" for a while and now they don't have it they are losing their mind. Well, you were never supposed to have it and you know it. Enough with the mental gymnastics. YOU WERE NEVER ALLOWED. End of discussion.

They are partially (as in...partially, not completely) at fault for being so lenient up until now. I don't use mods with FF XIV and I never have, so there's that too. But yeah, they were never allowed. Obviously. But their general inaction paved the way for players to keep pushing the limit to see what they could get away with. Apparently they pushed too far, hence the Lodestone announcement yesterday. And that is well within their right to act on. Anyone caught using mods and publicly displaying their ToS violations was playing with fire, and they burned. I have no sympathy for anyone who uses mods, knowing full well they aren't allowed, but this is a situation that SE had a bit of a hand in making.

[Ranhansha]

They are partially (as in...partially, not completely) at fault for being so lenient up until now. I don't use mods with FF XIV and I never have, so there's that too. But yeah, they were never allowed. Obviously. But their general inaction paved the way for players to keep pushing the limit to see what they could get away with. Apparently they pushed too far, hence the Lodestone announcement yesterday. And that is well within their right to act on. Anyone caught using mods and publicly displaying their ToS violations was playing with fire, and they burned. I have no sympathy for anyone who uses mods, knowing full well they aren't allowed, but this is a situation that SE had a bit of a hand in making.

They might be at fault because they allowed people to get a bit too comfortable, but, in my opinion, now players are blowing things out of proportion. This stuff was never accepted, so what are they on about?
To be honest, the last one, wasn't the first announcement on the topic and their stance was always clear. At least it was for me. If people had any kind of doubt it was because of other players spreading misinformation or "just don't say" which, apparently still applies since Yoshi-P said they can't track what your PC is doing. The problem is people are shamelessly showing off their screens filled with mods and that's as dumb as it gets. What are they supposed to do? I don't use them and, what's more, I wouldn't even report someone if I knew they were using something like a damage meter, shadders or a translator. I don't see the harm in those. However, I like the fact that they seem to be cracking down on stuff like cactbot, which I believe is the one that calls the mechs for you.

[hagare]

There were warnings, sure, but very little action. Two wrongs never make a right, but in my opinion, SE is more at fault here than the player base. Don't make warnings if you don't have the balls to back them up, I say. They let this situation get out of hand.

yet when they crack down, you people whine.

You do know that in real world you can get in trouble if you lie to cops that you called?

you do realize the one who got suspended streamed proof of his crime right.
Why would people have the need to lie?

[Vahlnir]

yet when they crack down, you people whine.

I'm probably one of a few people who have outright admitted to supporting SE on their right to enforce their ToS, so...I just feel it comes too late is all. I'm not whining. Just wondering what took SE so long.

[SturmChurro]

I'm probably one of a few people who have outright admitted to supporting SE on their right to enforce their ToS, so...I just feel it comes too late is all. I'm not whining. Just wondering what took SE so long.

During a high profile world first race, and people submitting mass reports - that's probably what did it. It should have been enforced from the start if this is how they were going to do it.

[Kes13a]

During a high profile world first race, and people submitting mass reports - that's probably what did it. It should have been enforced from the start if this is how they were going to do it.

what you run into though, is that they likely figured, from the start, that saying, "dont do this, please dont do this, we may start banning over this so please just dont" would work. basically.... people. ran out of chances. and SE ran out of thinking people would just stop.

you can say "oh this is too severe" but its working isnt it? people are talking about it, and anyone going forward who streams while using a 3rd party, knows they could be banned as well.

there is always a first person to be banned.. or caught breaking some new law. the streamer wanted attention, well, I say they got it

[Vahlnir]

what you run into though, is that they likely figured, from the start, that saying, "dont do this, please dont do this, we may start banning over this so please just dont" would work.

Arguably their first mistake, in my opinion. Asking nicely on the internet usually falls on deaf ears.