Why not a warning?

[GaiusDrakon]

I hope people realize that these bans are the result of mass reporting from 5ch mobs.

But I must say that a lot of people in this thread will probably form a 4chan mob if given the opportunity too.

[Kyrj]

Lol keep defending them harder, this is actually kind of funny.

[Havenchild]

Lol keep defending them harder, this is actually kind of funny.

What's funny is your inability to read, both what was clearly stated or how to navigate the grey area.

But don't take any forumer's word for it, have someone more legally savvy read it for you: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...&la=1&ret=rule

[IkaraGreydancer]

Lol keep defending them harder, this is actually kind of funny.

Has nothing to do with defending dude. It's just the fact of the matter. I don't fully like it myself as yes it means I can be banned for anything BUT I'm not foolish enough to put my foot in the fire n test it. Rules are rules. Follow them or risk the consequences. We're adults here not little children. This concept isn't taboo by any stretch

[alibutterfly]

For me, in addition to what people have already stated multiple times here about this having been the TOS all along and Yoshi having made multiple verbal/written "warnings" to the general public over the years about it, before now, I think there's also some element at this point of the "suffering from success" meme at play.

FFXIV, at this point, has more eyes on it than it ever has in the past. Therefore, it's important that they maintain the image of integrity in the game if they want people to continue to have faith in them as a dev team and their product. If there are allegations of unfairness/cheating in a fairly publicized/currently popular piece of game content, it's in their best interest to do what they can to publicly remedy that situation ASAP to show they will not tolerate that kind of behavior and people can trust them to enforce their own rules. People reported someone flagrantly violating the TOS in a public sphere (i.e., streaming), so SE's options then were to do nothing and look like hypocrites and undermine public trust, or to hand down some kind of warning/punishment/whatever you want to call it for breaking their rules to the point where you've "riled up the commonfolk" enough that they're bothering to report you.

Do I get the impression from Yoshi's most recent message that they're going to necessarily be actively going around searching for such people at this point? Still no.

Do I get the impression that they absolutely could start doing that at any time that they wished because it is indeed a violation of the TOS that every player must agree to in order to use the game? Absolutely.

Do I get the impression that they are closer to taking some kind of widespread hardline countermeasure against 3rd party addons now than they ever were in the past, for a whole variety of reasons, many of which have been discussed in this thread? Again, yes.

To the point of whether a 10-day ban was justified vs. some kind of lighter warning, in my mind, absolutely yes. If Yoshi literally just put up that long message about "don't do this" and you're still very publicly doing exactly what he said not to do - no matter how you think the rules were or weren't enforced in the past - you're basically asking to get slapped. A "don't do this again" verbal warning with no actual consequence other than a strike on your account (which, again, we don't know if this person may have already had other previous strikes on their account) will do nothing to show you mean business. If you roll into work 10 minutes late on a consistent basis and your boss tells you not to do it again, does that usually mean you're NEVER going to do it again if there's no "teeth" behind the request? If your boss tells you not to do it again or there will be consequences, on the other hand, are you willing to do it again and find out what those consequences are? If the consequences are "up to and including suspension/termination," if you're in an area that has employment-at-will, is that something you want to test out to see if they're serious? Seems a bit like Russian roulette, to me... this feels the same as that, though arguably lower stakes than a job situation (though, maybe not even, if you're a streamer).

TL;DR: My opinion is that the ban was justified after many previous public warnings not to do exactly what the streamer was doing, and to show publicly that they enforce their own rules in this current era of unprecedented popularity for XIV.

[Kewitt]

SE can see that there is an advantage to using 3rd party tools but these tools aren't coming to consoles.
So their 2 choices kill off the console which is too many users, or 10 ban people that have been breaking the rules for years anyways.

Just because you speed to work every day doesn't mean that 1st time you get caught going 20 over they are going to give you a warning because it's your 1st time.

[Canadane]

A 10 day suspension is a more than generous warning.
Should be outright bans.

[Reap00]

Do people really think a 10 day ban after years of calling things grey areas and 'just don't harass people' is an appropriate response? Don't come in saying "THEY HAVE THE RIGHT", no one cares or argues they are within their rights. I'm not even saying "let them have the tools still..." I'm simply saying that pulling them to gaol, warning them, and then letting them go when they remove the offending material, accomplishes the same effect without making half the userbase angry that people are being pulled mid-prog for sudden 10-day bans.

Please dont reply with no thought comments. Actually think about the question I'm presenting and give real reasons why a ban is better than a warning in this scenario with the context of how things have been treated.

"Its against the rules no sympathy" posts miss the point entirely.

If you are stupid enough to stream a violation of the ToS you deserve to lose your account entirely.

[IdowhatIwant]

If you are stupid enough to stream a violation of the ToS you deserve to lose your account entirely.

The ToS of it was vague, and it still is vague.

The only reason this person was the fall guy and got banned was before a group of people mass reported him, that's it. SE would have never moderated his stream or found out.

Is it probably stupid to stream with add ons? Sure we can agree on that. But it also has been such a grey area and barely enforced for so long many people don't think it matters.
Funny thing is they banned him, then said we want to add some of the things that he was using in the game. Thanks SE.

The vague ToS is why this game doesn't have a lot of streamers, and its the reason people don't communicate in the game much anymore. Combine that with a community that is far more toxic than WoW could ever be by actively trying to get each other banned over petty arguments, it's a mess. Tighten the ToS tell players what the exact rules are.

[IkaraGreydancer]

The ToS of it was vague, and it still is vague.

The only reason this person was the fall guy and got banned was before a group of people mass reported him, that's it. SE would have never moderated his stream or found out.

Is it probably stupid to stream with add ons? Sure we can agree on that. But it also has been such a grey area and barely enforced for so long many people don't think it matters.
Funny thing is they banned him, then said we want to add some of the things that he was using in the game. Thanks SE.

The vague ToS is why this game doesn't have a lot of streamers, and its the reason people don't communicate in the game much anymore. Combine that with a community that is far more toxic than WoW could ever be by actively trying to get each other banned over petty arguments, it's a mess. Tighten the ToS tell players what the exact rules are.

Thats some hyperbole if I've ever seen some. And I'll say it again. YoshiP has already said not to do it. There's nothing vague about that. And they spoke of improving the UI in the future yes, but until then you still need to follow the rules until said rules change. The amount of gymnastics folks are trying to use here is astounding.

Can you prove ToS is why the game doesn't have alot of streamers? Can you prove ToS is why people apparently don't talk in game? Also news flash most of the community isn't mass reporting to get folks banned. The bad eggs don't represent the whole