Why not a warning?

[sagacious]

People getting banned because of mass reports abuse and im sure they are lying in their reports. Those people should get 10 day ban too.

That's like saying put all the cops in jail as well

[Stasya]

That's like saying put all the cops in jail as well

You do know that in real world you can get in trouble if you lie to cops that you called?

[RitsukoSonoda]

Another of these "They shouldn't punish people for breaking the rules because they didn't do it before" threads.

Maybe they're getting tired of just telling ppl not to do it because they've proven they're going to do it until there are consequences for doing it?

"But they didn't do it before" isn't relevant unless you own a time machine.

A cop isn't going stop giving you a speeding ticket if you tell them you didn't get a ticket all the other times you broke the speed limit.

Your boss isn't going to stop firing you for breaking policy just because you told them you didn't get fired all the other times you did it.

[Xiu_Ye]

Another of these "They shouldn't punish people for breaking the rules because they didn't do it before" threads.

Maybe they're getting tired of just telling ppl not to do it because they've proven they're going to do it until there are consequences for doing it?

"But they didn't do it before" isn't relevant unless you own a time machine.

A cop isn't going stop giving you a speeding ticket if you tell them you didn't get a ticket all the other times you broke the speed limit.

Your boss isn't going to stop firing you for breaking policy just because you told them you didn't get fired all the other times you did it.

This is actually an amazing example. Right now you can drive ~5 miles over the speed limit and you will never get pulled over. If they started doing that tomorrow and started giving you fines for it. People would be outraged and justly so, by not enforcing it they implicitly endorsed the practice of doing so. Now its actually worse in SE's case as theyve said multiple times to basically not harass anyone and theyll look the otherway which they observably have done.

You're also mistaking my point at all. My point is just the level of punishment is wrong.

[ACE135]

Do people really think a 10 day ban after years of calling things grey areas and 'just don't harass people' is an appropriate response?

No, I don't think it's appropriate. It should have been a permanent ban.

[redheadturk]

No, I don't think it's appropriate. It should have been a permanent ban.

No, it should have been a warning or at most a 24 hour suspension.

[VerdeLuck]

The warning was the lodestone post. Everyone ignored it but that was the warning that they were stepping up enforcement.

[Illmaeran]

Do people really think a 10 day ban after years of calling things grey areas and 'just don't harass people' is an appropriate response?

In the grand scheme of things, a 10 day ban is nothing. A streamer was caught publicly using tools that have been clearly stated as being against the ToS. SE needed, and continue to need to, give punishments of significance to show how serious they really are about this.

For context; singling someone out and disciplining them in public is a HUGE faux-pas in Japan. That they very publicly banned a Japanese player mid-stream is of much more significance than most Westerners realize.

People who get pissed off that someone violating the ToS gets caught and has to deal with the repercussions of his actions is of no consequence in the matter. SE have to hand out punishments when they catch people breaking the ToS and in this case, they did it in a big way. The message is loud and clear.

It's against the rules, he got caught, and has to live with the result of his choice. I have no sympathy for the guy.

[Rolder50]

Real talk, this doesn't change anything for your average player. Just don't stream and don't send pictures of your programs to people you don't trust and you're fine.

Edit: Or, just don't display the plugins on stream. ACT doesn't *have* to display the overlay, after all.

[dapperfaffer]

Because a warning doesn't serve the public purpose of telling the player base that plugins/addons being openly displayed and used is no longer something that they are going to be applying a grey area to. Thats why. They have made examples publicly to show what is the outcome of using mods/plugins publicly.

This is very clearly a warning to the playerbase to stop, and shut up about these things if you use them.