Why not a warning?

[nickol]

sorry but clearly says 3rd party soft wear is against ToS look this way i go rob a bank with a bb gun and when polices show up and i say sorry not a real gun please don't arrest me its not a real gun I'm just a lil boy/ girl who dose not know the rules but I read them and did not follow them don't be stupide they deserve it for using 3rd part tools no sympathy

[Kyrj]

"But you knew the risk" Shut up, your precious leader Yoshida has taken a neutral stance on this matter for far too long to act like he's got a spine now.

[MellowMink]

I assume it’s because if there was just a warning without a punishment, then other people who use mods that provide gameplay or HUD advantages (not cosmetic tweaks that don’t affect the gameplay like adding missing Hrothgar hat support, which I hope Square Enix would focus on) would just keep doing it until they hit that harmless warning; this sends a stronger message. That said, ten days does feel kind of high for an initial punishment.

[Reimmi]

I did and what Im saying basically applies to what you posted. If you knew what you are doing is risky, why pull a surprise pikachu face when you get caught?

These things only apply to streamers.
Players in game right now are using hacks to break PVP and they won't be banned because they don't stream.
This ONLY harms the streamers

[Atelier-Bagur]

These things only apply to streamers.
Players in game right now are using hacks to break PVP and they won't be banned because they don't stream.
This ONLY harms the streamers

Pretty much yeah, I'm just arguing against people who play stupid games to win stupid prizes. If you're being so complacent that you feel like streaming publicly of a game that clearly shows you using third party tools, then WHOOPS you just made whoever was the GM watching at the time their job easier.

[Ketsufuma]

Do people really think a 10 day ban after years of calling things grey areas and 'just don't harass people' is an appropriate response? Don't come in saying "THEY HAVE THE RIGHT", no one cares or argues they are within their rights. I'm not even saying "let them have the tools still..." I'm simply saying that pulling them to gaol, warning them, and then letting them go when they remove the offending material, accomplishes the same effect without making half the userbase angry that people are being pulled mid-prog for sudden 10-day bans.

Please dont reply with no thought comments. Actually think about the question I'm presenting and give real reasons why a ban is better than a warning in this scenario with the context of how things have been treated.

"Its against the rules no sympathy" posts miss the point entirely.

Remember that we have been warned not 2 but 3 times by yoshi p about addons and or mods. We take that risk if we choose to use them sadly. Ya it does indeed suck that they would pull you to jail and give you the 10 day suspension right away. but you cant say we were not warned or deserve a strike system at this point.

im not saying its just but they are doing what they think is the right thing to do at this point.

[Xiu_Ye]

Remember that we have been warned not 2 but 3 times by yoshi p about addons and or mods. We take that risk if we choose to use them sadly. Ya it does indeed suck that they would pull you to jail and give you the 10 day suspension right away. but you cant say we were not warned or deserve a strike system at this point.

im not saying its just but they are doing what they think is the right thing to do at this point.

I don't agree with this takeaway on things like ACT. I'll not fight on UI mods currently (though I think banning someone for using a feature you plan to implement is wrong in a different way). I think that SE specifically made statements alluding to it being basically ok to use as long as you don't harass people. Especially when ACT has been on streams, vods, youtube, for years now with basically no enforcement. Also keep in mind my point that 99% of players would disable things with a simple warning. So what is gained by banning instead? And yes, even warning other large players would get the word around just as well.

[Ketsufuma]

I don't agree with this takeaway on things like ACT. I'll not fight on UI mods currently (though I think banning someone for using a feature you plan to implement is wrong in a different way). I think that SE specifically made statements alluding to it being basically ok to use as long as you don't harass people. Especially when ACT has been on streams, vods, youtube, for years now with basically no enforcement. Also keep in mind my point that 99% of players would disable things with a simple warning. So what is gained by banning instead? And yes, even warning other large players would get the word around just as well.

i agree with you on this. but i guarantee those being suspended atm are not just using ACT, there are other thing they are looking for specifically. But yoshi p has said before that using DPS meters just amount to eventual toxicity that he doesnt want. Even Desperius has brought up that using ACT in his streams is a risk and he is always careful, but will still continue to use it until he is either banned for it specifically or sent to jailed and warned for it. i Digress tho, we will see alot of negetive feedback more so then positive on the situation as a whole until we receive another post on the lodestone.

[Xiu_Ye]

i agree with you on this. but i guarantee those being suspended atm are not just using ACT, there are other thing they are looking for specifically. But yoshi p has said before that using DPS meters just amount to eventual toxicity that he doesnt want. Even Desperius has brought up that using ACT in his streams is a risk and he is always careful, but will still continue to use it until he is either banned for it specifically or sent to jailed and warned for it. i Digress tho, we will see alot of negetive feedback more so then positive on the situation as a whole until we receive another post on the lodestone.

Yeah it just seems like going one step off nuclear for no real reason other than to be heavy handed to prove a point? But that point would be proved just as well with warnings. Also the statements in the past are very celarly "just dont harass and we wont do anything." And its been the precedent observed for years. People got banned for harassing based off dps, stopped harassing but kept ACT up, and yet here we are today ACT is enough to get you banned now with no prior warnings on your account.

[MistakeNot]

A 10-day ban is a warning. A warning that next time you break the rules it could be a perma-ban.