Why not a warning?

[Bsrking5]

Am i late the to bait post? Where's all the hot takes?

[DamianFatale]

Do people really think a 10 day ban after years of calling things grey areas and 'just don't harass people' is an appropriate response? Don't come in saying "THEY HAVE THE RIGHT", no one cares or argues they are within their rights. I'm not even saying "let them have the tools still..." I'm simply saying that pulling them to gaol, warning them, and then letting them go when they remove the offending material, accomplishes the same effect without making half the userbase angry that people are being pulled mid-prog for sudden 10-day bans.

Please dont reply with no thought comments. Actually think about the question I'm presenting and give real reasons why a ban is better than a warning in this scenario with the context of how things have been treated.

"Its against the rules no sympathy" posts miss the point entirely.

It's a common tactic that authority uses to set an example. The goal here wasn't to warn, or politely tell people to stop, knowing that they might. It was to set an example that you WILL be banned for possibly ten days or more if you use these add ons. As much as I would of loved to see warnings handed out, this is a make an example out of streamers and popular players kind of situation, and It's more common than you think. It just hasn't happened in XIV for a long while. I would normally expect this kind of thing with government, education, or in a job situation.

[Limecat]

[Kenky]

"Why not a Warning"?

Because SE has given us plenty of warnings on plenty of things, yet people chose to ignore them. At this particular point, a "Warning" is insufficient.

SE has asked us, multiple times over the years to Not use ACT or any 3rd party tools. While yes, it was more on the fence of a "dont show, don't tell" sort of scenario and I believe that will still remain. The issue is people being upset that people who actively broadcasted to the public that they were using 3rd party tools finally got slapped for doing it.

But why are they upset? Because it's "their streamer". Their pal, their best friend that doesn't know they exist.. Para-social relationships festering and hitting a boiling point. You can already see that coming to a head, with plenty of streamers being mass-reported for literally anything that could be against ToS. From 3rd party tools, to harmless UI shifts, to things that don't even show up in-game. (See above post)

There is blood in the water and people are currently going feral because of it, lashing out at the harmless because it's still technically against the ToS.

[IkaraGreydancer]

And who reads the lengthy ToS ?
Surely, we agree, but it's hard to follow a ToS that even SE interprets on a case by case basis rather than a hard black and white and now we've arrived at this point because of that.




Ignorance on the players part ?
No, this was willfull ignorance and interpretation on SE's part.
They let it get this far while placing blame on the playerbase.

So you're blaming SE because folks decide not to read the ToS...
And folks expect the devs to listen to them...
Ik the xiv community has issues but the fact so many don't understand that rules are rules is astounding.

[Jybril]

So you're blaming SE because folks decide not to read the ToS...
And folks expect the devs to listen to them...
Ik the xiv community has issues but the fact so many don't understand that rules are rules is astounding.

The community is in some weird parasocial relationship with the games developers.
The moment they realise that they are not their friends (which lately people are catching the hint)
then they won't be so pissy like they are now lol.

[HolyReign]

Do people really think a 10 day ban after years of calling things grey areas and 'just don't harass people' is an appropriate response? Don't come in saying "THEY HAVE THE RIGHT", no one cares or argues they are within their rights. I'm not even saying "let them have the tools still..." I'm simply saying that pulling them to gaol, warning them, and then letting them go when they remove the offending material, accomplishes the same effect without making half the userbase angry that people are being pulled mid-prog for sudden 10-day bans.

Please dont reply with no thought comments. Actually think about the question I'm presenting and give real reasons why a ban is better than a warning in this scenario with the context of how things have been treated.

"Its against the rules no sympathy" posts miss the point entirely.

I always love it when, people put in a pre-emptive defense against the following responses and telling people how not to react to the thread topic.

If you read the ToS, and you seen where it says it's against ToS to use said things, THAT is your warning. You are warned by it being against ToS, and anyone with an ounce of common sense, would know NOT to use them because they will be punished.

I personally hope that SE will continue banning those people who think, "Ah alright, I'll just use these anyways, I won't get caught." and provide those who believe the same, with examples why it's not wise to use them.

If you're a person, who is making use of Addons and alike, and subsequently get banned mid-whatever you're doing, it's YOUR fault, no one elses, no the fault of Mommy and Daddy SE for not telling you, "Oh no don't do that honey." Don't want to be banned? Don't break ToS.

Easy.

[Illmaeran]

Yes, SE haven't been as strict with their policies in the past, that's fact. XIV hasn't ever been as popular, nor as visible, "A Titan among games", as it is now. It should come as no surprise that SE are taking a harder stance on enforcing their ToS; especially when it comes to highly visible streamers.

That's an important point from the recent post that people aren't talking about. With such an increased player base many more people are modding and with the greatly increased global awareness of the game, SE have to step up and start sending clear and present messages that even the most braindead person could understand. To people unfamiliar with Japanese communication, it seems like Yoshi's been mealy-mouthed and wishy-washy about explaining the use of mods and ToS. For those familiar with Japanese communication styles, the message is loud and clear: do not use them, at all, ever. His messages have been as clear to Japanese people as "ALL MODS ARE BANNED, DO NOT USE THEM EVER, NO EXCEPTIONS, IF WE FIND YOU, WE MAY SUSPEND YOUR ACCOUNT." would be to a Westerner.

It's a whole lot easier to hit an individual streamer with a suspension than it is to seek out many non-streamers. On top of that, how much publicity have these recent actions given the issue? How many thousands of people are now keenly aware of the repercussions of modding because three or four people got suspended mid-stream? The return on investment on that's been huge.