My long-standing gripes with MCH and physical ranged in general

[HolyReign]

@OP

I agree with you 100%, now I'm not a level cap yet, nor have I raided outside of the ones in the Crystal Tower saga (LOL.) but I've noticed the resentment already from people, mentioning things need to die faster, then everyone emotes at me, or they make use of passive-aggressive statements.

It's sad people think you want us to be in the META, when from what I can see. You want us to be on a competitive level with other DPS picks, and simple buffs to improve the job's output so our dps isn't so terribly low.

Ignorant people will remain ignorant, I support your ideas.

[iiTzSeb]

As a MCH main, I completely agree with everything you said. It's like a meme in my current static as everyone constantly pokes fun at MCH

Yeah unfortunately we're just the comfy pick/prog job that just kinda... exists. Excels at nothing, but does it in style and with a comfy rotation.

[tearagion]

Giving MCH a 1*m raid buff (this is what you really said the first time) is on par with "make MCH the best job in the game" (there was more here) according to you so honestly I don't take anything you've said as anything valuable to consider.

And it's honestly concerning how much time you've spent in my thread just trying to make it clear just how much you don't want to see MCH buffed even when you don't play it a single bit. Maybe you should get a hobby or touch some grass. Perhaps clear the current tier before trying to come into the thread and act like you know anything about the current state of MCH in endgame content when you haven't even gotten your feet wet in it. Do something with your life instead of wasting time trying to farm your forums post count in here, cause honestly it's pathetic.

Keep moving the goalposts lol, whatever makes you happy. I literally said MCH should be compensated for their lack of utility compared to the other physranged, but I guess anything that isn't contributing directly to your persecution complex isn't valuable to consider.

I'll finish the current tier when I'm done with TEA, thanks for combing through my achievements I guess. Makes you seem very sane.

[iiTzSeb]

Keep moving the goalposts lol, whatever makes you happy. I literally said MCH should be compensated for their lack of utility compared to the other physranged, but I guess anything that isn't contributing directly to your persecution complex isn't valuable to consider.

I'll finish the current tier when I'm done with TEA, thanks for combing through my achievements I guess. Makes you seem very sane.

Stop talking. You're contributing nothing to the discussion. You're only here to be antagonistic and contrarian strictly for the sake of being antagonistic and contrarian.

Also I'm not impressed with the declaration of TEA prog by someone who's hiding on private. Come back when you actually clear and maybe I'll care. Until then I have no reason to believe you've ever even cleared a Savage tier while it was current, let alone have the understanding of this current tier or the current Ultimate and the horrendous situation MCH is in within both, especially considering your MCH is at level 82.

[tearagion]

Stop talking. You're contributing nothing to the discussion. You're only here to be antagonistic and contrarian strictly for the sake of being antagonistic and contrarian.

Also I'm not impressed with the declaration of TEA prog by someone who's hiding on private. Come back when you actually clear and maybe I'll care. Until then I have no reason to believe you've ever even cleared a Savage tier while it was current, let alone have the understanding of this current tier or the current Ultimate and the horrendous situation MCH is in within both, especially considering your MCH is at level 82.

I'm not trying to impress you, and I keep logs hidden (good job looking that up too) because I don't log any runs ever, and because of people like you who immediately go looking for anything as ad hominem ammunition instead of engaging in any way with an opposing viewpoint without the use of logical fallacies, which you haven't limited to ad hominems.

[CKNovel]

rDPS on MCH is on par with the other phys ranged

And that's the problem, it should be slightly higher. BLM has no utility but no one complains about the job being higher than RDM/SMN.
Yes, BLM is a "complex" job but SMN isn't and still performs better than any ranged.

MCH has 2 additionnal weakpoints that isn't its rDPS:
-It's a gauge based job, meaning long and streched out downtime will hurt the MCH while DNC will benefit a lot from downtime due to DNC being cooldown based. If BRD could sing without target, MCH would be the only job suffering from downtime.
-AoE, DNC has a lot of natural cleaves and BRD isn't bad either with double targets. MCH AoEs needs the targets to be stacked. Ricochet and Bio Blaster don't have a lot of range (or gain for BB). Chainsaw is a massive 65% less damage for additional targets. BRD and DNC also share these reduced splash damage but they also have much more.

That is to say, even if MCH had 2 support actions to compete with Improvisation and Cure Waltz, it would still struggle to compete in its own role.

[Mortex]

And that's the problem, it should be slightly higher. BLM has no utility but no one complains about the job being higher than RDM/SMN.
Yes, BLM is a "complex" job but SMN isn't and still performs better than any ranged.

MCH has 2 additionnal weakpoints that isn't its rDPS:
-It's a gauge based job, meaning long and streched out downtime will hurt the MCH while DNC will benefit a lot from downtime due to DNC being cooldown based. If BRD could sing without target, MCH would be the only job suffering from downtime.
-AoE, DNC has a lot of natural cleaves and BRD isn't bad either with double targets. MCH AoEs needs the targets to be stacked. Ricochet and Bio Blaster don't have a lot of range (or gain for BB). Chainsaw is a massive 65% less damage for additional targets. BRD and DNC also share these reduced splash damage but they also have much more.

That is to say, even if MCH had 2 support actions to compete with Improvisation and Cure Waltz, it would still struggle to compete in its own role.

Yes but blm is the only exception in the entire game, even pre change samurai had less dmg then monk. I mean I could make a joke about blm being yoshi p his main job. But yeah we can agree mch sucks massively. It is effectively like samurai vs monk. Monk has good utility and more dmg then Sam and there isn’t any problems there for whatever reason

[tearagion]

And that's the problem, it should be slightly higher. BLM has no utility but no one complains about the job being higher than RDM/SMN.
Yes, BLM is a "complex" job but SMN isn't and still performs better than any ranged.

MCH has 2 additionnal weakpoints that isn't its rDPS:
-It's a gauge based job, meaning long and streched out downtime will hurt the MCH while DNC will benefit a lot from downtime due to DNC being cooldown based. If BRD could sing without target, MCH would be the only job suffering from downtime.
-AoE, DNC has a lot of natural cleaves and BRD isn't bad either with double targets. MCH AoEs needs the targets to be stacked. Ricochet and Bio Blaster don't have a lot of range (or gain for BB). Chainsaw is a massive 65% less damage for additional targets. BRD and DNC also share these reduced splash damage but they also have much more.

That is to say, even if MCH had 2 support actions to compete with Improvisation and Cure Waltz, it would still struggle to compete in its own role.

I already said it should be bumped up, what I'm arguing against is the 1: hysterical approach of the OP. It's perfectly playable if never optimal. And 2: that his suggestions beyond potency buffs are either unreasonable or erode the current MCH identity. I think it's a very difficult position for SE mostly because melee gets 2 slots as a standard so SAM has more wiggle room, and SMN and RDM have raises so BLM rDPS is more negotiable with anyone who progs. If MCH was decently higher rDPS than the other two options the other two would disappear, other than DNC in prog for curing and improv.

[butchersblock]

I'm not trying to impress you, and I keep logs hidden (good job looking that up too) because I don't log any runs ever, and because of people like you who immediately go looking for anything as ad hominem ammunition instead of engaging in any way with an opposing viewpoint without the use of logical fallacies, which you haven't limited to ad hominems.

I love how this person goes on about how you're just being antagonistic and contrarian just for the sake of it while doing the exact same thing with other job suggestion threads.

[HolyReign]

I love how this person goes on about how you're just being antagonistic and contrarian just for the sake of it while doing the exact same thing with other job suggestion threads.

Almost like what you're doing with your reply, right?