Quote Originally Posted by Colt47 View Post
Problem is that people should not be taking longer than 2 months to clear a savage tier. They release so much other content in the game and people are bleeding themselves dry having to break through content that clearly was not for them, or because they had the misfortune of not being able to get in a group that has the coordination and time needed to clear the content at decent rate. That and due to the rewards, the savage tier looks like a continuation of the normal 8 man raids when it is not supposed to be.
This is a bit silly. I'm part of what would probably be considered a "midcore" static, based on the experience of most members, our numbers on That Website That Shall Not Be Named, etc. (I'm the "baby" of the group, with only one savage tier under my belt before Pandaemonium). We cleared P4S in 5 weeks as a group (we had some people clear earlier on alts in PF, etc). Our scheduled hours are 6 hours a week, plus an extra 3+ hours for *most* of the group can make while we're progging. But after our scheduled 6 hours a week, everyone's free to head to PF for the week.

I went back and looked at our E9-12 clear, which was not the exact same composition as our Pandaemonium group (still generally the same skill level & frankly, more familiarity between most of the static members that tier - but it was the last tier of an expac, so, harder than this one), but it took us 3 months to clear E12S as a static. That's with ppl who were - on the whole, minus probably me - far better than your average PF. Sniffing that it should take a rando party of randoms less than 2 months to clear a tier seems ... not quite right.

Like I've said earlier, I do wish there was some easier stepping stone to harder content in this game from dead-easy dungeons and trials, or something that teaches you how to play your class better & what you're doing wrong. XIV was my first/only MMO, and I was terrified of "hard" content and being screamed at for underperforming and/or dying. One of the best players I know (now a Triple Legend, great teacher, can flex to multiple roles, etc) had to be coaxed into Normal Raids as a sprout during SB, because they were afraid of "raiding" content & that it was going to be too hard. We both got better (though they're still way, WAY ahead of me, despite the fact I've been playing for years longer XD) because we were in an FC that encouraged getting into harder content in a safe & comfortable way - either with the "FC static" or with FC events on weekends. I learned so much doing current expac Savage & Ex fights with more experienced people who I knew weren't going to scream at me for dying! The only thing that got me into actually doing *actual* Savage raiding was listening to directions really well on an E2S party we had as an FC event, and having 2 ppl say "Oh, she'd probably be more than fine in an on-level Savage." (and I have)