The difficulty curve in the game has... problems...

[KariTheFox]

I'm going to be frank, why would anyone join a party like that?

Because, if you set it up to include people who have already gotten thier weekly clears, you will draw from experienced raiders who actually enjoy teaching the fights, probably cleared them all tuesday night, and are bored out of thier minds because their group isn't progging Ultimate that night.

I personally know a few highly skilled raiders who spend s lot of thier time teaching fights that they cleared week one, simply because they find it fun to teach people.

[Issaella]

Because, if you set it up to include people who have already gotten thier weekly clears, you will draw from experienced raiders who actually enjoy teaching the fights, probably cleared them all tuesday night, and are bored out of thier minds because their group isn't progging Ultimate that night.

I personally know a few highly skilled raiders who spend s lot of thier time teaching fights that they cleared week one, simply because they find it fun to teach people.

I guess this is another fundamental disconnect as to what PF is supposed to be in this game. Coming from WoW if you list a PuG raid you are expected to lead that raid. At the bare minimum you should have the experience to know most of the fight you are trying to PuG and tell people what they should be doing if needed. Listing something and then expecting others to pick up the slack feels extremely selfish to me and wouldn't have much chance of sucess in my experience. I would expect the same thing in any group that I would join, let alone volunteer to lead.

And as a side note, one of the things that absolutely kills me about Savage is that if you have people who are experienced then you are giving up half or all of your chance at a reward. The game literally penalizes you for including people in the group who have cleared. So you either have to eat pavement in hopes of getting a clear with similarly inexperienced people or call in assistance (if you even know anyone who can) and cut your chance of reward in half or lose it completely. What kind of sense is that?

[Colt47]

I guess this is another fundamental disconnect as to what PF is supposed to be in this game. Coming from WoW if you list a PuG raid you are expected to lead that raid. At the bare minimum you should have the experience to know most of the fight you are trying to PuG and tell people what they should be doing if needed. Listing something and then expecting others to pick up the slack feels extremely selfish to me and wouldn't have much chance of sucess in my experience. I would expect the same thing in any group that I would join, let alone volunteer to lead.

And as a side note, one of the things that absolutely kills me about Savage is that if you have people who are experienced then you are giving up half or all of your chance at a reward. The game literally penalizes you for including people in the group who have cleared. So you either have to eat pavement in hopes of getting a clear with similarly inexperienced people or call in assistance (if you even know anyone who can) and cut your chance of reward in half or lose it completely. What kind of sense is that?

Yeah, this has been a problem for a while now. Obviously the dev team or the team lead over there doesn't think so but the way the loot system works contributes to the problems over on the NA servers at the very least. If you join a static for example you basically give your soul to that group and can't even help another group without stepping on the toes of both thanks to the system. If the loot was a personal lockout system things would improve immensely.

I don't remember even why they made the system the way they did or if they ever bothered to say anything about it, but I've assumed that they originally put it in place to discourage groups selling clears to others. It doesn't really do that and mostly just makes this a whole lot more frustrating and inflexible in terms of when and with whom people do savage with.