Can we talk about 3rd party tools and disability?

[Enjuden]

Well I am not the one who made them disadvantaged nor the people around them caused them to be disadvantaged therefore we dont owe them anything, you cant expect others to put themselves in a disadvantage just so they feel on equal ground.

So basic things like buff bars that benefit everyone are absolutely fine but nobody should be getting advantages like addons announcing mechanics because you "cant focus on everything important"

If you cant be aware of what is happening during the encounter and need your hand held then you shouldnt be doing such content to begin with, you are just not built for such type of game.

People who have not done content should never dictate who can or cannot do something. Going by your logic, I can say that a lot of the hyper casual audience shouldn't even be past the 83 trial and be stuck there, forever, because 'they can't focus on everything important' when the mechanic is A. Brand New, and B. Instantly kills you if you mess it up. Or that you can't clear MSQ and should be locked out if you die. By the way, this mechanic never shows up again outside the EX version.

See how bad this logic is?

[Fiel_Tana]

Well I am not the one who made them disadvantaged nor the people around them caused them to be disadvantaged therefore we dont owe them anything, you cant expect others to put themselves in a disadvantage just so they feel on equal ground.

So basic things like buff bars that benefit everyone are absolutely fine but nobody should be getting advantages like addons announcing mechanics because you "cant focus on everything important"

If you cant be aware of what is happening during the encounter and need your hand held then you shouldnt be doing such content to begin with, you are just not built for such type of game.

Ironic comment considering your signature text:

"The tryhard elitist is the person who is going to finish their 5 pieces on this created to be beaten """"challenge"""" and then complaint that the baby, slower or less dexterous person are a problem which not only is toxic but indirectly implies that doing this basic created to be beaten task faster is an """achievement""" of """great skill""" which helps to falsely boost the elitist's self worth as that is their true motive, if challenge was truly their desire they would relish in the chance to do more than the rest.
The healthy person on the other hand will either let people finish their part or assist them for their self worth does not depend on solving basic puzzles created to be beaten, aka as a video game."

[SweetestLily]

Well I am not the one who made them disadvantaged nor the people around them caused them to be disadvantaged therefore we dont owe them anything, you cant expect others to put themselves in a disadvantage just so they feel on equal ground.

So basic things like buff bars that benefit everyone are absolutely fine but nobody should be getting advantages like addons announcing mechanics because you "cant focus on everything important"

If you cant be aware of what is happening during the encounter and need your hand held then you shouldnt be doing such content to begin with, you are just not built for such type of game.

And neither are they, do you think they woke up in the morning on day and decided to be disabled? THEY didnt make THEMSELVES disadvantaged. Imagine we lived in a world where nobody accomodated for special needs because "it isnt our problem and we didnt cause it". You are clearly someone who sees people with disabilities as a hindrance and have absolutely 0 compassion or respect for them. Your stance on this is borderline psychotic. I will entertain you no further. To all the people with disabilities reading this thread I would like to formally apologize for this guys insensitivity. Its embarrasing to read.

[HyoMinPark]

If you are unable to play on the same level play field as everyone else then you are simply not able and shouldnt demand special treatment, it is unfair to all when a few are given special treatment.

Either all get it or no one gets it.

Asking for accessibility options for visually impaired individuals is fairly standard, in my opinion. And it doesn’t affect you in any way. It just makes things less of a headache for those of us that have bad vision and/or photosensitivity. It’s not as if I can change the fact that my vision is this terrible (I was born this way) or that I suffer from photosensitivity (again, born this way). Unless you would like to give me a couple thousand to get lens implants in my eyes to fix my vision.

It’s impossible to cater to every disability. But accessibility options for vision is fairly standard practice, and also fairly easy to implement. And more common than you would think.

[Kanella]

If you are unable to play on the same level play field as everyone else then you are simply not able and shouldnt demand special treatment, it is unfair to all when a few are given special treatment.

Either all get it or no one gets it.

I'm surprised you can login to forums with a take so brainless.

[angienessyo]

I don't have any disability beyond hand pain (which I mitigate with a controller), but I have a friend that is color blind. He couldn't do E7S without either ACT or a raid member calling out portals because he actually couldn't see the difference between the two portals even with color blind mode on. He had similar readability issues with E6S, P3S and likely would have the same issue with P4S having blue/purple tethers. The accessibility options should be so good in this game that people don't have to rely on a third party program to make it playable.

[Packetdancer]

I don't have any disability beyond hand pain (which I mitigate with a controller), but I have a friend that is color blind. He couldn't do E7S without either ACT or a raid member calling out portals because he actually couldn't see the difference between the two portals even with color blind mode on. He had similar readability issues with E6S, P3S and likely would have the same issue with P4S having blue/purple tethers. The accessibility options should be so good in this game that people don't have to rely on a third party program to make it playable.

E6S was just plain cruel. It was actually worse than P3S in terms of terrible AoE telegraphs in certain situations, I think.

(Though the inability to see some telegraphs in that fight was how some people I know who weren't aware that they were colorblind learned that in fact, they were.)

[Imora]

And on the other side of this, I'm also legally blind(one eye doesn't work at all, other is about as impaired as op is) and have very few issues with no third party tools(p3 is one exception).

Issues with p3n/s aren't limited to the visually impaired as well. Orange on orange on orange seems to be hard for everyone to see.

Colorblind settings I could see but if you want to know what helped me most in wow, it wasn't ui mods or graphics changes, it was AUDIO CUES.

[Packetdancer]

Colorblind settings I could see but if you want to know what helped me most in wow, it wasn't ui mods or graphics changes, it was AUDIO CUES.

Honestly, this is a conscious step I try to take in game design: I strongly believe anything you want the player to be aware of should have both a visual and an audio component to any telegraph. They don't have to be obvious, but I do think they have to be there.

I wish that FFXIV would be a little bit more consistent on this specific point, because I do feel like it would solve a surprising number of accessibility complaints.

[ManaEterna]

And on the other side of this, I'm also legally blind(one eye doesn't work at all, other is about as impaired as op is) and have very few issues with no third party tools(p3 is one exception).

Issues with p3n/s aren't limited to the visually impaired as well. Orange on orange on orange seems to be hard for everyone to see.

Colorblind settings I could see but if you want to know what helped me most in wow, it wasn't ui mods or graphics changes, it was AUDIO CUES.

Honestly I would love to know what kind of HUD you're playing with and how you overcame most of the challenged you might have encountered in FF14. ＾＾
I'm saying that because I always find it difficult to figure what other peoples are doing that I could also be doing to get a better experience.

Incidentally, I find it "funny" that everyone seems to be complaining about p3s because for me it was one of the easier fight. Orange brings more contrast to me than blue does so it was one of the fight that was the easiest to distinguish for me.
I remember when I did e12s and we were doing with the ice mechanic in the door boss, I literally had to use sunglasses to help with contrast. It felt kind of ridiculous but I guess it worked so whatever. ^^

While I do agree somewhat. I gotta say... in this particular case... wouldn't a VR Headset take the "monitor" close enough for them to see the whole screen? Just a thought, not trying to offend anyone.

You know, I actually considered that at some point (I even tried it) and I have to admit that the idea isn't as bad as you would think it would be. The problem I encountered really was that using a virtual desktop made the game unplayable and VR makes my eyes very dry. But being able to super curve a monitor and make it as big as you want was quite nice. (It's just a shame that it turned into a blurry mess ；；

And one of the problem that hardware solution cannot ever fix is the absolute lack of contrast in a lot of markers. If your source material is a bunch of the same colors, there is only so much you can do on the hardware side.

On software you can make better contrast, you can add settings for people to chose what colors they want their aoe markers, you can add audio cues when things are happening, like for example many EX primal will actually say something as they ready to do a tank buster.

Those are only some ideas of what can be done to help.

One last thing to consider is that most of the assistive technologies for the visually impaired people tend to be very expensive while most of the people that are the target audience for those technologies tend to be poorer.
Even a relatively low quality monitor if it was made for the visually impaired could end up costing thousands of dollars. There is just not enough users for the price to go down and make sense.