Japanese FFXIV streamer receives a suspension for using add-ons.

[Sebazy]

The world progression pushes on content like this are some of the best marketing this game gets. Even if you personally dislike/hate/rage about the evil raiding scene, there is no denying that FFXIV as a game is typically dead on platforms like twitch outside of this time period.

Now what do we think the chances are of these teams bothering to stream next time round are?

This changes literally nothing and it certainly isn't going to stop some of these tools being shown.

It just costs the game free mindshare, advertising and excitement around the big new content of the day.

Great work

[IdowhatIwant]

The world progression pushes on content like this are some of the best marketing this game gets. Even if you personally dislike/hate/rage about the evil raiding scene, there is no denying that FFXIV as a game is typically dead on platforms like twitch outside of this time period.

Now what do we think the chances are of these teams bothering to stream next time round are?

This changes literally nothing and it certainly isn't going to stop some of these tools being shown.

It just costs the game free mindshare, advertising and excitement around the big new content of the day.

Great work

Call me a conspiracy theorist. But I think the person that wants the game to die the most... is Yoshi P himself.

Then he may finally take a nap.

[hagare]

Great, nothing of value was achieved. Instead we have some token gesture that didnt adress any sort of actual problem just so we can pretend that someting meaningful was done. The game is literally saved.

hey, you can always ask the botters to stream

So...a streamer streams WITH the add on visible?

...da hell? How foolish can a person be?

suspension causing dumb apparently
Listen to legal eagle people.
Don't record yourself doing a crime!

[SturmChurro]

It's FFXIV, there are many who will report for anything and everything.

[Xlantaa]

"High" tier raiders: We want hard things, give us ultimate. The game is too easy for us, we DEMAND challenges.
Also "High" tiers raiders: *Proceed to use third party tools that display information that they shouldn't know and a bot to auto-pilot the calls. Then complain because it was too easy.*

Will you respect this players, or those who doesn't use any third party tool?

Let's be real. They said million of times. You CANNOT use third party tools, it doesn't matter if you think is fair or not. It is still NOT allowed, but they choose to ignore it. A mature person will accept the consequences of their acts. Like if you pirate you Play Station and then Sony bans you, you cannot complaint about it.

There are a bunch of things in the ToS that people don't care. No one reads it, but no reading it doesn't allow you to ignore what is written there. You cannot even datamine, because all the assets belongs to SE. You cannot modify them, nor even swap them. You cannot touch any byte in the game folder. You cannot by any means use a software that intercepts data from memory or network. Yet people do it.

Use the common sense. It is the streamers the ones who should make an example by playing vanilla. Like the game is meant to play. And then they are the first ones ignoring it.

What more surprise me is the amount of people defending to cheat in a game. I can't even believe it.

[Ralphe2449]

It's FFXIV, there are many who will report for anything and everything.

Which is honestly a good thing otherwise you end up with literally the global chat of every western mmo where people can post the most vile, hateful, racist etc etc comments and get away with it because the players know nothing will happen if they report so nobody bothers, resulting in a circus of a global chat which at times can be funny but I think i prefer a chat that is used for its original purpose, not trolling and baiting sensitive people.

[Jin-]

People are seriously frickin' petty. If it isn't giving someone an overt advantage, don't frickin' report.

That's ffxiv community in nutshell. Reporting over petty and small reasons because they CAN. Someone used a curse word? Let's mass report them...

[Saraide]

"High" tier raiders: We want hard things, give us ultimate. The game is too easy for us, we DEMAND challenges.
Also "High" tiers raiders: *Proceed to use third party tools that display information that they shouldn't know and a bot to auto-pilot the calls. Then complain because it was too easy.*

Will you respect this players, or those who doesn't use any third party tool?

Let's be real. They said million of times. You CANNOT use third party tools, it doesn't matter if you think is fair or not. It is still NOT allowed, but they choose to ignore it. A mature person will accept the consequences of their acts. Like if you pirate you Play Station and then Sony bans you, you cannot complaint about it.

There are a bunch of things in the ToS that people don't care. No one reads it, but no reading it doesn't allow you to ignore what is written there. You cannot even datamine, because all the assets belongs to SE. You cannot modify them, nor even swap them. You cannot touch any byte in the game folder. You cannot by any means use a software that intercepts data from memory or network. Yet people do it.

Use the common sense. It is the streamers the ones who should make an example by playing vanilla. Like the game is meant to play. And then they are the first ones ignoring it.

What more surprise me is the amount of people defending to cheat in a game. I can't even believe it.

It does matter if everyone thinks it's fair or not though. Discord is the best proof for that. By definition it's a third party tool (quite an impactful one) but obviously everyone is ok with using it. So much so that even bringing discord up is considered a bad faith argument. Rules provide a framework to act under, that doesnt necessarily mean SE has to enforce them to the letter. When a certain third party tool is deemed not harmful, why should anyone (including SE) care?

Rules arent set in stone, they should be applied in a smart way. The current response to report brigades, a thing yoship literally does not want, is not smart. Why do you think courts exist in the real world? It's because you can not account for every situation when writing laws, thus do they have to be interpreted. Following the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law is a bad idea and will only cause needless damage.

[SturmChurro]

Which is honestly a good thing otherwise you end up with literally the global chat of every western mmo where people can post the most vile, hateful, racist etc etc comments and get away with it because the players know nothing will happen if they report so nobody bothers, resulting in a circus of a global chat which at times can be funny but I think i prefer a chat that is used for its original purpose, not trolling and baiting sensitive people.

There is a diffrence between justified reporting, and what largely goes on in FFXIV. Many players have malicious intent, reporting over some of the most benign issues. Often times the GMs act on it, and they know it. Also, believe it or not, people do bait others in this game, quite often. It's done in order to draw out a reaction that they can report them over.

[GaiusDrakon]

"High" tier raiders: We want hard things, give us ultimate. The game is too easy for us, we DEMAND challenges.
Also "High" tiers raiders: *Proceed to use third party tools that display information that they shouldn't know and a bot to auto-pilot the calls. Then complain because it was too easy.*

Will you respect this players, or those who doesn't use any third party tool?

Bet you can't clear the Ultimate even with those tools if you tried.

You might not realize this but most Ultimate raiders using non-Cactbot tools like UI mods, Alex, or buff timer trackers can easily clear the raid without these tools. They use them for comfort.

Try playing the game at a high ping where you clip literally every GCD when you double weave. Then use Alex. You'll realize why this is a comfort issue.