Yoshi P statement regarding third party tools

[Chopstix]

while i understand where yoshi p is coming from, i feel this is the wrong angle to take

mods should be embraced not prohibited or tolerated, these creators make the game better for a lot of ppl for free!!! essentially making improvements that the devs dont have to "waste" time on any more

hell it is rough to double weave on a 2.5 GCD with my 70ish ping in a game where double weaving is MANDATORY in hard content

healers need to perform a lot more actions to heal/buff specific individuals in their party while keeping uptime, much of which can be eliminated by mouseover actions that r queueable

several jobs have absolutely insane button bloat that mods help consolidate

ui perks for shields and buffs and stuff i dont even know about yet

list goes on and on, sky's the limit

if someone has a better play experience, they have more fun and can maybe perform a little bit better... how does that hurt ANYONE? This is a PVE game, if u r in a party u r a team that is working together

auto target and ownership check of items is quite frankly huge QoL, how long did that take to implement? how long will it take to devise in game alternatives for the most popular QoL mods? what about niche stuff that that is incredibly useful in a particular circle but not as widely used?

cheating is cheating, harassment is harassment, and bullying is bullying, those hurt u and r reportable and should be reported ... someone seeing that they have a juicy shield on their own HP bar, having an indicator on their castbar when they can move for a solid slidecast (which btw the game does not even tell u about), not having their camera automatically turn while running to the side on legacy control scheme, not having to use 30 something keybinds so they dont get carpal tunnel; these r as far from bullying, cheating and harassment as the next galaxy from ours

[AziraSyuren]

They're not going to do anything. This announcement was just their attempt to get JP players who were salty over not getting WF to shut up.

[Thaciscokidd]

Hold up. I just woke up and haven't had my coffee. If I'm reading this correctly, does this means besides ACT, that one pvp paid mod that really deserved it, and CACTBOT but also the bard player, ping helper, and gshade like mods are done?

[AziraSyuren]

Hold up. I just woke up and haven't had my coffee. If I'm reading this correctly, does this means besides ACT, that one pvp paid mod that really deserved it, and CACTBOT but also the bard player, ping helper, and gshade like mods are done?

No, none of them are done. This announcement was just lip service, like always. A streamer or two that gets mass reported might get banned, but normal players are, as always, perfectly safe as long as they use discretion.

[ForteNightshade]

Hold up. I just woke up and haven't had my coffee. If I'm reading this correctly, does this means besides ACT, that one pvp paid mod that really deserved it, and CACTBOT but also the bard player, ping helper, and gshade like mods are done?

No. It means the same status quo they've always had. Unless SE begins going on a sudden ban wave, nothing has changed. It's the same "keep it to yourself" policy they've already had.

And no, I sincerely doubt they intend to enforce anything because doing so would be a rather significant financial loss.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

Hold up. I just woke up and haven't had my coffee. If I'm reading this correctly, does this means besides ACT, that one pvp paid mod that really deserved it, and CACTBOT but also the bard player, ping helper, and gshade like mods are done?

The only thing there that YoshiP has said is offically not actionable is gshade. My guess is because it's purely a directx post-processing thing and doesn't touch the game itself. The bard player they probably won't be too bothered by, the "ping helper"? That's one that I think MIGHT be one of their top priorities and considering MCH, quite unfortunate considering the location of NA servers and no cross-region DC travel.

[Halobump]

I think this kind of clear message is important. There is a lot of confusion abou

Mods, however, I agree with the OP, are aspects of the game that people want to see. And like Yoshi mentioned, making these in an official form is a reasonable reaction. If a mod or a plugin can be made to augment the game for the better, then I believe there is justification to have that developed into the game.

OP talks about some aspects of jobs that are janky, and there is definitely scope to improve upon them, PvP-style combo buttons, for example, are something that would really help with button bloat. In my opinion, there is little difference between 1-2-3 and 1-1-1. Things like Slidecasting, well...that's only because of the game engine more than anything. Get rid of the inherent latency in the game, and you'll find loads of people might mess up their timing.

If the UI isn't good at displaying an important piece of information, especially if it helps the player read the screen, then I believe there is a developmental incentive to work on that.

As it stands at the moment, you can tell how many people are using some sort of callout tool, especially on patch days when most of these are not working. It defeats the point of a lot of challenges, no longer needing to look at the screen to work out what you are supposed to do. And that makes content boring. And that hurts other players.

Then you've got parsing, and that's a whole another beast of an issue which is pretty terrible all round and serves no purpose in the game other than to stroke egos and gatekeep.

[DezereDawn]

Then you've got parsing, and that's a whole another beast of an issue which is pretty terrible all round and serves no purpose in the game other than to stroke egos and gatekeep.

I was mostly agreeing with you until this moment, it's not egotistical or gatekeepy to not want to waste your time in a group that has 0 hope of clearing, nor is it a bad thing to want to strive to perfect your skills at a job you enjoy, the people who use these tools in the negative ways are few and far far between, and likely to be on the receiving end of a ban hammer within days of ever making it clear.
Meanwhile, these tools allow us as a playerbase to get an overall measure of our job's performance, how to optimize said performance, and general expectations for clears to a much more precise level than any in game tool allows.

Personally, i don't parse, i don't really care to participate in high end content myself and i'll never be a legend, but that's perfectly fine, i've never had a run in with someone who lambasted me via a parse, not once in my entire time playing this game, they're not common whatsoever.

[Rehayem]

I'm guessing ping reducers also fall into the "packet spoofing" category? I'm aware it's aimed at xivalexander or w/e it's called, but ping reducers are mostly harmless. I used one for years on another MMO to play painlessly because server were located on NA.

[Kolsykol]

RIP noclippy for us with slower internet i guess. I'm sure the small indie company doesn't have the budget like these modders do to fix packet loss so we can actually weave.

It's not really always their fault, I use a VPN and get a flawless connection I have literally never had ANY lag since.
There's very infamous nodes in some countries that are absolutely horrible especially during certain times a day that some people get passed through by their ISP.
That's not really something SE can do anything about that's on your ISP and it can be pretty random which is why some have no issues and some have horrible issues.
There's one in Germany and one in the US I know are especially infamous.

I had the misfortune of being connected through the German one...
4 days a week it was totally unplayable and the rest it was usually playable but sometimes random lag.