Hotfixes delivery

[Raistlin]

Hi!

I understand you are used to have a strict content delivery with pre planned patches, etc. But if players don't see fast response on hotfixing and balancing PvP ranking model, we will get discouraged to keep playing.

I am used to play MOBAs and the difference is night and day, you can easily see 5 minor change patches per week in Dota2 and when a new Major patch arrives, you can even see multiple patches the same day.

I am not asking for that level of delivery, as the scope is much more smaller, but 1 patch in a month after the PvP revamp is not enough.

Please, consider recording stats by job winning rate, etc and try to balance the system in minor patches on a faster pace.

[KageTokage]

Not expecting any changes until 6.15 at the earliest.

I've decided to put off my PvP climb until then, but I have a hunch I might end up regretting that.

[silverdragontyr]

6.15 I believe us theorized to be in a couple weeks which is when we'll likely see the next major changes.

That said, I agree. If they want PvP to be more successful, especially this early on in the reboot; They NEED to be more active. We can't have this weeks and weeks of OP and useless classes. This issues need to be addressed or people will feel ignored.

[Anhra]

6.15 I believe us theorized to be in a couple weeks which is when we'll likely see the next major changes.

That said, I agree. If they want PvP to be more successful, especially this early on in the reboot; They NEED to be more active. We can't have this weeks and weeks of OP and useless classes. This issues need to be addressed or people will feel ignored.

There are no useless Classes, just bad Players being bad. I can only talk about my personal experience, but after trying every Class for a reasonable amount of time, i can say with clarity, that EVERY Job is capable of carrying a Match.

If anything, PvP needs MORE active Skills to use, like 2-4 for each job more would be enough.

[silverdragontyr]

No not useless, but the gap between bottom classes and top classes is as wide as an ocean. Further lower tier classes have functional issues that prevent them from flourishing like some of the top classes.

[Anhra]

No not useless, but the gap between bottom classes and top classes is as wide as an ocean. Further lower tier classes have functional issues that prevent them from flourishing like some of the top classes.

That is because Jobs such as BLM, DNC or GNB, have a higher Skillceiling than their counterparts.

Lets take DNC for example, of which many think is completely underpowered compared to MCH.
First and foremost, DNC isnt MCH, and brings completely different Options to the table, such as Healing your Dancepartner, for example. But did you knew that a DNC performs best, if you constantly switch your Dancepartner according to the situation at hand? Aside from Healing the Job offers also other Buffs that definitely can turn a Teamfight for the better.

MCH on the other hand, has nothing of that sort. MCH is completely self reliant and basically, what Scout used to be in Heroes of Newerth in case the name rings a bell (if it doesn't, that Game's similar to LoL and Scout was a infamous Hero that only steals kills trough sniping. Even the Devs hated him.) , contributes nothing to the Group, except for the fact that it deals good damage.


Tl;dr: Dmg isn't the only redeeming Quality that Jobs have. A Supporter that is good at staying alive no matter what might be even more terrifying.

[silverdragontyr]

Its not a skill thing. Yes they take more skill but they objectively do less. If it was just took higher skill but could do more that would be fine and I'd even say healthy for the mode. However even the highest skilled Dnc still would do less than equally or even less skilled Drg or Sam. Its a matter of some classes are objectively weaker to a large margin. This creates a dichotomy just by the virtue of having Whm/Rdm/Nin on your team you are given a huge advantage. I fully understand the meaning of meta picks. There will always be top classes and people will always do the math. If they want this mode to survive they need to close that gap.

Take those low tier classes. Buff some more of their damage. Lower their LB timers. Give them more shields. Have their support do more things. Make them a threat. Make it so you don't see the roster screen at the start of a match and know you're already at a disadvantage or going to lose.

[Raistlin]

There are no useless Classes, just bad Players being bad. I can only talk about my personal experience, but after trying every Class for a reasonable amount of time, i can say with clarity, that EVERY Job is capable of carrying a Match.

If anything, PvP needs MORE active Skills to use, like 2-4 for each job more would be enough.

You are delusional if u think there are no underwhelming jobs. I am currently not playing the volcano map because casters are in complete disadvantage in a map where the line of vision is so bad the only way to play properly is to go melee with a job with 48k HP, that have specifically low HP because the idea is I dont have to go melee...

There are clear flaws in some jobs... yeah as BLM I can be top damage easier, but is so situational that is obviously not right. As BLM basically my job is to spam to force other team to consume their pots, and hope for another class to take advantage and get the kills, meanwhile half other dps classes can stand alone against others and dont require anything else than themselves.

[Anhra]

You are delusional if u think there are no underwhelming jobs. I am currently not playing the volcano map because casters are in complete disadvantage in a map where the line of vision is so bad the only way to play properly is to go melee with a job with 48k HP, that have specifically low HP because the idea is I dont have to go melee...

There are clear flaws in some jobs... yeah as BLM I can be top damage easier, but is so situational that is obviously not right. As BLM basically my job is to spam to force other team to consume their pots, and hope for another class to take advantage and get the kills, meanwhile half other dps classes can stand alone against others and dont require anything else than themselves.

Your arguments alone tell me that you will never go beyond mediocre performance.

However, dont expect me to educate either you or silverdragontyr beyond of what i said, since both of you clearly didnt read what i just said.

Damage.
Isn't.
Everything.

[Deveryn]

You are delusional if u think there are no underwhelming jobs. I am currently not playing the volcano map because casters are in complete disadvantage in a map where the line of vision is so bad the only way to play properly is to go melee with a job with 48k HP, that have specifically low HP because the idea is I dont have to go melee...

There are clear flaws in some jobs... yeah as BLM I can be top damage easier, but is so situational that is obviously not right. As BLM basically my job is to spam to force other team to consume their pots, and hope for another class to take advantage and get the kills, meanwhile half other dps classes can stand alone against others and dont require anything else than themselves.

All I play is healer and I never have the kind of trouble you describe. One of the best things about the CC stages is features like those obstacles. You can't just smooth brain through an open field. You actually have to think on your feet and adjust. Most CC woes can be filed under PEBKAC.