Stop ignoring Crystalline Conflict

[NimRyo]

I am extremely pissed off at the state of Crystalline Conflict.

First of all, everybody just does whatever they want and never try to do any tactics or use strategies. This is worsened by the fact that you have extremely limited communication where not even a simple "yes" or "no" can be found. Secondly, so many people have absolutely no idea what they are doing resulting in the same things happening again and again instead of having them improve by giving them tips or explaining certain things. Since you can't talk you can't give any tips. Queueing up with friends (or other people in general) to compensate for the lack of communication? yeah not possible because it's completely solo. Another problem is that you can get the same people you were with a previous match again in your team or enemy team. This is just rolling dice for a win or loss at this point. Because of the lack of communication, the same teammates will make the same mistakes again and again. Waiting 2 minutes and then joining queue is not a solution as people have suggested before. There is a reason why so many other games have a system in place to where it prevents that (also to prevent trolling and such).

Then there are the more minor problems like random instakills. This is just fundamentally wrong to have in a pvp gamemode. Oneshotting is something of the same nature that does not belong in any sort of pvp game.

Calling the gamemode "Casual Match" and giving roughly the same amount of exp for a win or a loss are just two of the factors as to why people are not even trying their best in matches. Pvp is inherently competitive and to suggest otherwise is lunacy. Making a "casual" mode will result in people not really caring or trying to win, ruining the games for everyone else. Why would you even queue up for pvp in the first place if you just wanted to do something casual? 700 series exp for a loss versus 900 series exp for a win only enforces this bad behavior more.

These are just some of the things that are messed up about this gamemode or pvp in general. I seriously can't stand that people don't even bat an eye and just pretend everything is fine with these sorts of things.

[Payadopa]

You are not the arbiter of PvP. You can be as salty as you want, you don't get to dictate how others play.

Should SE incentivise certain (good) behaviour? Yes. Am I glad chat is as limited? ...um.. yes, actually. lol

[NimRyo]

These are not demands but simple observations and research. Take them however you want to perceive them but can you at least uphold a standard? If you think this is a godhood way of thinking please look at what other successful pvp games can achieve and give me an actual reason not to be "salty" when this gamemode isn't even comparable to mid tier pvp games. There is no reason not to further improve the gamemode. Not even financial reasons since it's only very small changes that you could implement that require no time.

I have yet to find anybody with any better or more reasonable solutions other than "just play ranked".

Also why would you want limited chat. If people abuse others in an open chat in whatever way shape or form just ban them. You will get rid of the toxic people and you get to actually communicate with your team. Two birds with one stone.

[HyperSMB]

These are not demands but simple observations and research. Take them however you want to perceive them but can you at least uphold a standard? If you think this is a godhood way of thinking please look at what other successful pvp games can achieve and give me an actual reason not to be "salty" when this gamemode isn't even comparable to mid tier pvp games. There is no reason not to further improve the gamemode. Not even financial reasons since it's only very small changes that you could implement that require no time.

I have yet to find anybody with any better or more reasonable solutions other than "just play ranked".

Because this is ultimately the right answer. You want competition. You want people to try and play serious. That is literally exactly what ranked is for. The opposite is also true. People HAVE to have a place to try new classes, relax and enjoy the mode or simply learn. That is casual. Most big MOBA and Arena style games have this division and for very good reason.

Also why would you want limited chat. If people abuse others in an open chat in whatever way shape or form just ban them. You will get rid of the toxic people and you get to actually communicate with your team. Two birds with one stone.

Because people suck. I don't need an armchair general ordering me around, or someone calling me slurs. I don't want to have to wait for them to get banned after they have already ruined my match. Limited chat solves the problem before it is ever an issue.

Once again responded to your passages in the text above.

[NimRyo]

You are not the arbiter of PvP. You can be as salty as you want, you don't get to dictate how others play.

Should SE incentivise certain (good) behaviour? Yes. Am I glad chat is as limited? ...um.. yes, actually. lol

I literally want an open chat to give advice and tips to people, how do see that as me trying to dictate what other people should do, it's advice......

[Lymberey]

I literally want an open chat to give advice and tips to people, how do see that as me trying to dictate what other people should do, it's advice......

Trust me, you cannot trust anyone with open chat, even yourself.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

You are not the arbiter of PvP. You can be as salty as you want, you don't get to dictate how others play.

Should SE incentivise certain (good) behaviour? Yes. Am I glad chat is as limited? ...um.. yes, actually. lol

This is why part of me is worried about trying to coach people now. You have people who have a huge influence in the outcome of your game with rank at stake and "you don't get to dictate how others play", it feels like trying to coach would be grounds for a report. Just quick macros with very specific instructions is all I want like "Don't split at the start", because so many people attempting to leeroy costs matches.....and of course not to get banned for it..

[HyperSMB]

First of all, everybody just does whatever they want and never try to do any tactics or use strategies. This is worsened by the fact that you have extremely limited communication where not even a simple "yes" or "no" can be found.

Chat being restricted is great. Prevents trucktons of toxicity. I haven't once had my sexuality questioned yet, nor had anyone make insinuations about my mom. Well worth it.

Queueing up with friends (or other people in general) to compensate for the lack of communication? yeah not possible because it's completely solo. Another problem is that you can get the same people you were with a previous match again in your team or enemy team. This is just rolling dice for a win or loss at this point. Because of the lack of communication, the same teammates will make the same mistakes again and again.

If you are in the same matches as them and you KNOW how they are going to play, since you clearly know better than them, just adapt. Realistically, the "My teammates suck" arguement is kind of an old one in PvP centric games.

Waiting 2 minutes and then joining queue is not a solution as people have suggested before. There is a reason why so many other games have a system in place to where it prevents that (also to prevent trolling and such).Then there are the more minor problems like random instakills. This is just fundamentally wrong to have in a pvp gamemode. Oneshotting is something of the same nature that does not belong in any sort of pvp game.

This one I will give you FULL STOP. There should be ZERO insta kill mechanics in PvP. SAM Ult and Chainsaw need readjusting, BADLY.

Calling the gamemode "Casual Match" and giving roughly the same amount of exp for a win or a loss are just two of the factors as to why people are not even trying their best in matches. Pvp is inherently competitive and to suggest otherwise is lunacy. Making a "casual" mode will result in people not really caring or trying to win, ruining the games for everyone else. Why would you even queue up for pvp in the first place if you just wanted to do something casual? 700 series exp for a loss versus 900 series exp for a win only enforces this bad behavior more.

I agree that EXP totals could be further apart, but your assertion that there inherently cannot be a casual competitive state is just asinine. Not everything requires balls to the walls levels of competition. Mario Party and Mario Kart would suck if I couldn't joke with my friends and have fun while racing. Just as an example. If you want the competitive version, play Ranked. I can promise you, people do in fact play more seriously there.

Bolded my responses. Some of the things you say have merit. It is honestly annoying when people brush aside legit complaints out of hand, especially if they aren't actively invested in the mode. Had to snip some quotes for length.

[NimRyo]

Adapting is easily said but quite hard in reality since most of the time people just attack whoever is closest to them and since everybody is focusing someone else in most cases, it can get very fuzzy and your damage will be spread out and outlived by the enemy.

[drtasteyummy]

> casual mode
> everybody just does whatever they want
> casual mode
> giving roughly the same amount of exp for a win or a loss
> casual mode
> people are not even trying their best in matches.

> Oneshotting is something of the same nature that does not belong in any sort of pvp game.
> AWP OP