Where is the BLM nerf?

[Jinrya-Geki]

I personally wouldn't mind a 20% reduction in BLM damage coupled with a 20% reduction in MP cost, that way they can still dish out just as much damage but it takes them longer to do it.

Why? Why is everyone going on about the damage that black mage does with two spells!? Two spells that are the same element? It's our only two spells and a half that do damage. Take that away and black mage has nothing.

Anyone that agrees to this thread, give me good reasons to it not just "Black mages needs a nerf to damage". I try to get a thread about changing black mage to have more variety to spells and here we have people it needs to be gimped more.

-No Armor for defense
-No Hp we die in two hits maybe less.
-Lost AoE toggle (I would rather have toggle back than just have all fire spells aoes)
-Lost conal aoe
-Movement Spell Cancel (Because of the Pvp whiners when it's no where near close to being out...)
-Higher Interruption rate
-We have no useful enfeebles (After the first one they hardly work, useless on bosses)
-Lolice
-Ancient Magics are a pure joke not useful reliable damage, which they should be.
-Hardly any useful gear/weapons (Double meld Lightning brand/Garuda staff... such a selection there)
-Fighting Earth/Lightning mobs render us useless, look at the Dragoon Final Fight.
-No Siphon MP (Big Nerf to Thm/blm in my opinion, under losing half the elemental wheel)
-Lolice (Cause it's just that god damn bad)

My god, is this because people skilled enough to use a black mage burn on Garuda and Ifrit and it's overpowered? I call that skill. If Ramuh and Titan came out and Blm burns took them down then that would be amazing but it isn't gonna happen with how crappy Fire/Ice lines are.

All those nerfs and you still want more cause we excel at two spells, are you kidding me!?

[UmJammerSully]

Why? Why is everyone going on about the damage that black mage does with two spells!? Two spells that are the same element? It's our only two spells and a half that do damage. Take that away and black mage has nothing.

What's your point? "Take away those spells and black mage has nothing"? Well, it does have those spells, and spamming them is incredibly effective and out-damages the hell out of all the other DD classes even with the MP issues BLM ocassionally faces. Though I've yet to see how DRG and MNK do after this hotfix.

Fire combo is also crazy effective for groups and pretty much lays waste to the mobs in raids, so even this "only 2 good spells" nonsense of yours is wrong.

"Just you wait until Ramuh hits the scene" is kind of a redundant thing to say, that's just one battle, what about all the content we're dealing with right now? Besides, the element wheels don't seem to have much purpose these days sadly. I don't see anyone exploiting Ifrit's supposed weakness to wind or Garuda's weakness to ice for example, thunder combo will always be the order of the day unless they make some heavy adjustments to the spell system.

The "Higher damage, lower defense" argument doesn't pan out at all either as BLM is usually way safer than MNK and DRG, so there's absolutely no added risk in being a BLM.

I share your sentiment that BLM lacks variety though, it would be nice if it had some of the stuff you listed so spamming thunder or spamming fire wasn't the sole purpose of BLM.

high damage, low defense.
- is this concept really that hard to understand?

high damage, rarely gets hit so low defense is a moot point.
- is this concept really that hard to understand?

[Tureni]

What's your point? "Take away those spells and black mage has nothing"? Well, it does have those spells, and spamming them is incredibly effective and out-damages the hell out of all the other DD classes even with the MP issues BLM ocassionally faces. Though I've yet to see how DRG and MNK do after this hotfix.

Fire combo is also crazy effective for groups and pretty much lays waste to the mobs in raids, so even this "only 2 good spells" nonsense of yours is wrong.

"Just you wait until Ramuh hits the scene" is kind of a redundant thing to say, that's just one battle, what about all the content we're dealing with right now? Besides, the element wheels don't seem to have much purpose these days sadly. I don't see anyone exploiting Ifrit's supposed weakness to wind or Garuda's weakness to ice for example, thunder combo will always be the order of the day unless they make some heavy adjustments to the spell system.

The "Higher damage, lower defense" argument doesn't pan out at all either as BLM is usually way safer than MNK and DRG, so there's absolutely no added risk in being a BLM.

I share your sentiment that BLM lacks variety though, it would be nice if it had some of the stuff you listed so spamming thunder or spamming fire wasn't the sole purpose of BLM.



high damage, rarely gets hit so low defense is a moot point.
- is this concept really that hard to understand?

Agreed here. I really just wish the elements made more sense overall too. Including elemental resistance. I know testing has been done and whatnot, but compared to XI it feels like the elements just make no sense right now in this game. I'd just like a little more variety to spells.

I've also heard arguments that THM/BLM shouldn't have all of the elements. I can sub these spells from CNJ anyway so why not give a single job all the spells and let the other sub what they want instead? That's another topic sorry.

Slightly on topic, is it just me or does Stone seem more powerful than Aero everytime it's used?