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  1. #81
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    Valmonte's Avatar
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    Felix Valmont
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    Balmung
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    Lancer Lv 35
    Weaken BLMs Defense, pull hate you die problem solved. SE also needs to implement class/action specific enmity generation to increase the risk of tier 3/high damage spells/skills.

    as it stands now enmity generation is pretty much predictable to every one but the tank.
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  2. #82
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    It's not that AF doesn't support decent damage...BLM isn't just about your potential damage, you get resisted ONCE, and it can mess up your whole spell set/Mana pool. It's the resists BLM's are trying to avoid by upgrading their gears.
    I think it's honestly a little ridiculous that gear the game colors blue for very high quality gets stomped by common gear with multiple materia. Sure, it does cost a lot to get multiple-melded items, but must blues and greens aren't THAT much better than other items and they can't take materia at all. Of course this is rather off topic. And AF sort o "defines" a job's appearance. When you're wearing the AF, you look like a black mage and people can regonize that by looking at you. Generic gear for non-heavy melees (The generic plate armors match the classes that can use them better than most) doesn't have this effect- you could be anyone, a mage, a crafter, a DoL. The only real exception here are cloaks but there are very few of them in the game right now.

    Weaken BLMs Defense, pull hate you die problem solved. SE also needs to implement class/action specific enmity generation to increase the risk of tier 3/high damage spells/skills.
    BLMs are already physically weak enough. They can only survive anything when they use sanguine rite. BLM can't set Sentinel.
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  3. #83
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    Axel Smith
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Phe View Post
    high damage, low defense.
    - is this concept really that hard to understand?
    /thread RIGHT HERE!!!!

    God-.- BLM's are meant to dish out tons of damage check any mmo/rpg out or that has a similar job. We can easily be one shotted and are role is particularly focused into one aspect, doing damage from a distance. We can usually be one shotted at anytime due to mistakes, bad positioning, hell grabbing hate by accident. Issue isn't with the job itself...
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  4. #84
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    Lin Celistine
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    Goblin
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    The Glass Cannon argument does not matter when you've a tank who becomes your defense that pretty much never loses hate.

    The MP pool limitations matter for nothing when your optimal MP usage per convert cycle dwarfs the DPS of melee jobs, even when both groups are supported by Bard Songs.

    Put simply, there's just too much that favors bypassing range for security. Right now Melee Jobs are at greater risks than glass cannon ranged classes because Mages and Rangers are simply out of a good bulk of the AoE ranges. Additionally, the limited range of Melee causes mobile opponents to suffer less DPS from Melee classes.

    The risk/reward scaling in the game as it stands is skewed heavily in favor of ranged classes, and the Melee Classes are not getting any extra returns for that skew. If anything, the concept of 'low defense, high yeild' doesn't apply anymore because simply the need for defense is being bypassed on the account of ranged jobs.

    This could be balanced out if monsters started using AoE attacks that had safe zones closer to the monster, like Garuda's Conal. Or had more attacks that hampered ranged DPS, like the THF Moogle's MP drain attack. But right now these aren't balanced as such to create a level playing field yet.

    So either the output of Melees should be increase to compensate for the risks of range and positioning above risks of defense and HP, or fight mechanics need to be made to keep Ranged players on their toes and suffering breaks in DPS due to circumstance as well. Cause right now, Damage is a threat either even across the board, (IE, things that would one-shot a Mage would likely One Shot a Melee too.) or leans heavily against melee.
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    Last edited by Hyrist; 05-25-2012 at 08:48 AM.

  5. #85
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    the reason why they don't nurf Blackmage ??

    Is because there Boss mechanic are broken-
    Blackmage aren't powerfull if you have to move around
    Blackmage aren't powerfull If you can stand in a safe spot-
    It's not about nurfing Blackmage- It's about making the battle mechanic of a boss harder
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  6. #86
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    Luwnax's Avatar
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    Luna Vela
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruisu View Post
    I...what?

    How is adding more content that doesn't revolve around BLMs a nerf to MNK? MNK hasn't been exactly terrible, you know. Aside from Cutter's Cry, I haven't seen an instance where Monk was inefficient.
    Seeing how you main MNK I don't have to explain how increasing mobs magic defense across the board (as you suggested) would be a direct nerf to MNKs DPS.

    I never said MNK was bad. I wouldn't main it if it was. I also never said MNK was inefficient or unwanted.
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  7. #87
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    Kouji Geki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valmonte View Post
    Weaken BLMs Defense, pull hate you die problem solved. SE also needs to implement class/action specific enmity generation to increase the risk of tier 3/high damage spells/skills.

    as it stands now enmity generation is pretty much predictable to every one but the tank.

    lol what? who uses the agas? they are a huge waste of mp for not much more damage as the Aras. Infact Thunadars mod is INT thundagas is magic attack. The only time you use teir 3 is if you have aot of mp and Excuriate didnt go off on the Thundara. other than that the Agas are worthless they just take up the 15 slots ability limit.
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  8. #88
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    Rauban Daz
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    Omega
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    Fisher Lv 60
    War colusion was exploiting them more over DRG and MNK are now at the same level as him
    you know what does 348 attack bonus does for DRG right? i was dealing 1k doom spike chaos and ring of talons on princess and miser so there you have it this how blm was nerfed
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  9. #89
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    Bobbin Threadbare
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    Masamune
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Main topic here's kinda demeaning. Are u really hating BLM that much?

    I've already have enuff troubles dealing with endgame stuff because not having advanced gears and only relies on basic BLM AF. Especially when SE taken out cast-while-moving.
    I want to enjoy endgame stuff with fun & excitements, and some ppl already judging me for not having better gears.

    If any agrees on nerfing BLM, it's the same as telling me to quit this game because BLM is my main.
    I want to enjoy it leisurely, not to become some sort of elitist.
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  10. #90
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    Lilly Grace
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    Balmung
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by AdvancedWind View Post
    Black Mages have a nerf incoming, it's called Ramuh
    Bingo, as the case with most classes, content that requires different strats is they key to balance.
    To build on that, more content that encourages Melee combat is sorely needed, right now everything is easier with ranged dps. Content is the key.
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