The Dead Ends: The Dungeon that gives unending despair

[Thi]

I am so ready for this dungeon to not be in expert roulette anymore.

I load into it and let out an audible sigh because its going to be a shit show.

Don't have a new party member notice at least it can't be that bad. Nope, it never is.

I feel like 80% of the time I get this dungeon at least one party member, maybe two are general morons who can't do the simple mechanics. As I queue as a dps it is normally a tank or healer sadly which snowballs into multiple wipes on each boss.

I have tried to mitigate this by switching to RDM for expert roulette. It helps but only so much when you rez the tank or healer and watch them immediately die to the next mechanic then leave you with aggro to eat the tank buster.

My rant here is not against the difficulty of the dungeon, because it isn't really hard, but it is a step in the right direction for the game. The rant is about how the general player base has gotten so bad at the game that a casual dungeon content becomes nightmarish.

Square, please do something to make players actually have to learn to do mechanics in the solo content of MSQ patches so they don't fall over the dead anytime a mechanic more complex than don't stand in the bad shows up.

[kpxmanifesto]

Square, please do something to make players actually have to learn to do mechanics in the solo content of MSQ patches so they don't fall over the dead anytime a mechanic more complex than don't stand in the bad shows up.

It's a long shot to hope for this but we can still hope. There's a lot for SE to fix in terms of balancing dungeon and boss difficulty, and I'm not sure if we'll ever see that.

[EagleDynamics]

It's a long shot to hope for this but we can still hope. There's a lot for SE to fix in terms of balancing dungeon and boss difficulty, and I'm not sure if we'll ever see that.

since square just got to fixing arr dungeons itll probably be a long time before we see any fixes to other content. i wouldnt hold my breath for it either.

[Kaurhz]

The question I have is...

Is it players being genuinely mindboggling bad, or players just not caring whatsoever. You can force someone to care and act in solo content as much as you like, but you can't enforce that self-same mentality in grouped content.

If a player doesn't care and does the bare minimum then that is all they shall do, regardless of how much you try and force learning. Teaching a person to care is sadly something that is a very difficult task to undertake, sadly.

[Mosha]

or players just not caring whatsoever.

I'm very guilty of this since expert dungeons are so underturned not so much in Dead Ends but Similton and Sigma I will collect dummy stacks because it gives me something to use my mits on.

[Kuroka]

The question I have is...

Is it players being genuinely mindboggling bad, or players just not caring whatsoever.

Yes.

I recall that run as GNB where the healer managed to die while we only had an reaper and nin with us... multiple times, was fun doing about 30% of the last boss alone lol


I really look forward loosing that dungeon as the sync just kills it even more... and ive seen it too many times - I REALLY miss gettin two ex dungeons per patch...

[Liam_Harper]

The question I have is...

Is it players being genuinely mindboggling bad, or players just not caring whatsoever.

They definitely don't care.

They have no reason to. The game goes out of it's way to make sure that you don't have to put in effort to beat things. Players tend to try to find the easiest route to their goals and it becomes tempting to put in the bare minimum. If the bare minimum is constantly lowered, that's what we become used to.

I'll admit, first time I went into the Dead Ends, I didn't even have Esuna on my bar and it took me a few runs to even realize you could use it on the first boss. Why? Because I literally hadn't needed Esuna in over 3 months.
Same with healers who just spam Medica II. It works in most things so they think, "why bother learning an entire oGCD kit"? Or dps who are missing half their kit. Nothing they've done has dps checks and no one will see your damage so why bother with a perfect rotation.

Ideally all endgame dungeons would be Dead Ends difficulty or a little harder so that's what we become used to.

[Gullis]

MSQ is so mindnumblingy easy, you never have to learn anything beyond pressing 1 2 3 outside of dungeons and trials, where bad players who spend all their time ded, just get carried through it, and don't look back. you are never really challenged to the point where you need to try in solo duties either. and in the few cases you do, the game immediatly offers you a very easy difficulty upon failing

As much as I like the msq in this game, the amount of talking vs combat is so one sided, that you sometimes forget you are playing a game

[Anienai]

Don't you get more tomes with players brand new to a dungeon?

[Jennah]

Don't you get more tomes with players brand new to a dungeon?

Just the uncapped ones; which haven't been useful beyond the first month of an X.0 patch since the Heavensward relics.