Doesnt feel like the WoW migration improved the community.

[Ralphe2449]

Because my initial reaction is definitely not which isnt surprising considering the type of people wow players are.

I first played FF14 during Shadowbringers before the big WoW migration wave from the disaster that was shadowlands and later on the lawsuits.

I quite enjoyed the game though the lack of dps utility kinda made dungeons boring dps spam but that was just a personal preference, nothing game breaking to start doomsaying.

The sentiment about the game and the forums were very positive at the time, people were friendly and happy and discussed their class issues in a less negative way with the exception of 1-2 tryhards complaining about a casual not doing well in DF as if it matters for that content.

Now I come back after a while and the community looks worse, forums have a lot more complaints, the amount of tryhards complaining about the game being casual friendly has vastly increased and the same people are now screaming doom because Yoshida dares not to treat raiders and high end content as special like WoW does and instead tries to be accessible. And in general there's a lot more negativity coming from the typical tryhard crowd which was very common in the wow playerbase.

You now even see the typical wow streamer youtube complaining that the game isnt hard enough because of course they only care about inflating their ego by *checks notes* "beating a video game that is literally designed to be beaten" and not the MAJORITY OF THE PLAYERBASE aka casuals who pay the bills.

Which seems weird cuz honestly, if you want to be treated as special for doing high end content you should be going back to WoW that will forever treat non raiders and casual players as 4th class citizens, FF14 is thankfully not following WoW's example.

[YukiB]

People aren't complaining more because they came from WoW.

People are complaining more because they don't like things about the game.

[IkaraGreydancer]

People aren't complaining more because they came from WoW.

People are complaining more because they don't like things about the game.

Problem is to many are claiming objective fact when most of it is really just subjective opinion

[IdowhatIwant]

Problem is to many are claiming objective fact when most of it is really just subjective opinion

Not to sure about that, it is an objective fact that classes are being simplified. It is an objective fact that classes are losing identity. The subjective part is your opinion on those changes.

[Ralphe2449]

Problem is to many are claiming objective fact when most of it is really just subjective opinion

And the fact that they are literally saying "if you dont pander to me, the game will die" which often comes from the more "tryhard" groups.

Like i said, I do dislike the fact that dps have barely any utility and dungeons just end up being "press dps buttons" so you dont rly have much control on how to approach an encounter, but I am not going in the forums screaming "IF THIS ISNT CHANGED, THE GAME WILL DIE AND EVERYONE WILL LEAVE!!!"

I liked ff14 climate before where the typical tryhard wow youtube streamers didnt exist or make videos complaining how the FF14 devs dont do what they want and the game will suffer because of it.
If they want a game that treats high end content and raiders as special, WoW is there, check how well it is doing now that even with all the changes nothing benefits casuals/solo players since they are always given scraps exactly because the devs share the mentality of "we cant give good things to non high end content players else our raiders will complain"

WoW has ended up in this state exactly because the devs cared a lot about high end content and the complaints of raiders.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Not to sure about that, it is an objective fact that classes are being simplified. It is an objective fact that classes are losing identity. The subjective part is your opinion on those changes.

That first point is moot tbh. Nobody is talking about those aspects as they are themselves. It's the later part that's the issue I'm referring to. Opinions on changes are being claimed as factual n objective

[Coletergeist]

Where are people claiming facts? This is the forum where folks post what's on their mind. There's disagreements, but of course that's gonna happen. Everyone is entitled their opinions, whether someone likes it or hates it.

There's currently a lot of negative threads because of recent changes to jobs like samurai, and the state of pvp (albeit I don't do pvp, but I've heard plenty from friends) among other things. I haven't been too happy about some things either, and kind of scared about what they will potentially be doing to astrologian. We're told to come here to give feedback, so feedback they will get.

[RobynDaBank]

I've seen way more doomsaying and threats of unsubscribing from people playing for ages.

[Shurrikhan]

Opinions on changes are being claimed as factual n objective

If someone says "reduced job identity feels bad," are we to understand that necessarily and always as a claim of fact rather than a claim of opinion despite the content and setting both indicating that adding "I think" before every claim would be little more than redundant, wasted words?

[IdowhatIwant]

That first point is moot tbh. Nobody is talking about those aspects as they are themselves. It's the later part that's the issue I'm referring to. Opinions on changes are being claimed as factual n objective

If you view an opinion as an objective fact, than that is on your misinterpretation of it.

And the fact that they are literally saying "if you dont pander to me, the game will die" which often comes from the more "tryhard" groups.

Like i said, I do dislike the fact that dps have barely any utility and dungeons just end up being "press dps buttons" so you dont rly have much control on how to approach an encounter, but I am not going in the forums screaming "IF THIS ISNT CHANGED, THE GAME WILL DIE AND EVERYONE WILL LEAVE!!!"

I liked ff14 climate before where the typical tryhard wow youtube streamers didnt exist or make videos complaining how the FF14 devs dont do what they want and the game will suffer because of it.
If they want a game that treats high end content and raiders as special, WoW is there, check how well it is doing now that even with all the changes nothing benefits casuals/solo players since they are always given scraps exactly because the devs share the mentality of "we cant give good things to non high end content players else our raiders will complain"

WoW has ended up in this state exactly because the devs cared a lot about high end content and the complaints of raiders.

You joined this game in the previous expansion, and just came back from a break. And based on your character you did not play it much so I don't think you know what try hard groups are in this game, or really much about the player base in general. Taking your opinion seriously is very hard, basically nothing more than a troll thread made by a troll account. Since you paid $15 to post I will bite.

I don't see much where people say, if you do not add another ultimate fight now, I will quit. There are a lot of angry samurais right now saying if you don't add kaiten back now I will quit, but that has little to do with try hards and more to do with people being upset that there favorite job was changed. It happens with many job changes, it will happened again with other job changes, I expect to hear angry dragoons next patch.

I do not know where these typical try hard wow youtube streamers are for FFXIV with the exception of xenos, who has been around since ARR. Which Xenos actually supports a lot of the casual content in this game. People don't want the game to have some sort special treatment to high end content raiders, I think most players want the skill ceiling to stop being lowered, and combat content to be a little more diverse. There is a whole midcore level difficulty that is missing in this game to help players fill in the gap between the casual content and the high end content. This game has typically designed most content with the intent of being casual friendly since SB. So I don't know what much more to tell ya bud, maybe stop reading the forums and go play the game and figure out some gripes or praises yourself.