Either enforce roles or remove them entirely

[Ransu]

Because this matchmaking is hot garbage and I'm tired of getting these wacked out teams where one side is loaded with burst and the other side is a bunch of support classes that can't kill anything. Like what is my team of a brd, blm, pld, sge, ast supposed to do against a whm, sge, drg, sam, nin?????

If square wants this mode to work with no role enforcement then the concept of support/tank designs need to disappear.

[Iyrnwaen]

Because this matchmaking is hot garbage and I'm tired of getting these wacked out teams where one side is loaded with burst and the other side is a bunch of support classes that can't kill anything. Like what is my team of a brd, blm, pld, sge, ast supposed to do against a whm, sge, drg, sam, nin?????

If square wants this mode to work with no role enforcement then the concept of support/tank designs need to disappear.

You should probably spend some time tinkering with all the jobs.
That match-up could go either way, and the first team has the advantage if anything.

[Ransu]

You should probably spend some time tinkering with all the jobs.
That match-up could go either way, and the first team has the advantage if anything.

Sorry but no, this match goes one way and one way only. Pure melee vs a bunch of casters its extremely easy to overwhelm them,

Roles are completely meaningless in PvP. You will have a easier time and less of a headache if you ignore the color each Job Symbol has, since every Job contributes differently to a Duel/CC/Frontline.

I felt this way when the mode was new, but its just blatantly false. Roles matter a lot and make a significant difference.

[Iyrnwaen]

Click on them and kill them. The enemy team has no tank, so their melees will have to take some heat when stepping up, creating kill opportunities, or leave the ranged to get dived and instantly forced out. Split fights across the map and don't stand in Skyshatter.

On top of that, the CC gap between the two teams is enormous, and the NIN is crippled by SGE DoT.
This is frankly a match where the PLD just sits on the Crystal and holds W to win.
The second team would have to hard dive and delete the AST inside a poly window to have a chance,
and you're not going to get that level of coordination in a random group.

Sorry but no, this match goes one way and one way only. Pure melee vs a bunch of casters its extremely easy to overwhelm them,

No, it doesn't. I'd be happy to see that matchup if I was the AST in this example.
First team has loads of control and mobility, and they have a rallying point in the PLD.
Second team displays an unusually high level of coordination for random DPS, or they lose.

[Ransu]

On top of that, the CC gap between the two teams is enormous, and the NIN is crippled by SGE DoT.
This is frankly a match where the PLD just sits on the Crystal and holds W to win.
The second team would have to hard dive and delete the AST inside a poly window to have a chance,
and you're not going to get that level of coordination in a random group.


No, it doesn't. I'd be happy to see that matchup if I was the AST in this example.
First team has loads of control and mobility, and they have a rallying point in the PLD.
Second team displays an unusually high level of coordination for random DPS, or they lose.

Yes it does. Its literally brain dead easy to dive into a team full of casters and kill them before they even finish a cast. Not to mention the differences in LB's. The nin in that match ended it with 12 kills.

[Iyrnwaen]

Yes it does. Its literally brain dead easy to dive into a team full of casters and kill them before they even finish a cast. Not to mention the differences in LB's. The nin in that match ended it with 12 kills.

Has nothing to do with the comp and everything to do with the players.

[KickRox]

Up vote for another “it’s SE’s fault that I can’t climb” post. I’ll give you the same answer I give everyone. If matchmaking, cheaters, job imbalance, win traders or any of the other hundred excuses that you all make when you can’t climb we’re actually as chronic as you say, then no one would be at Crystal. There’s roughly 5-6 hundred people at crystal tier on Crystal DC at the moment. Did we all cheat our way here with our dark web match-making mods?

It’s not the matchmaking, it’s you; and if you spent h a l f the time practicing as you did crying at your over-priced neon LED keyboard. you’d get out of bronze.

The saddest part about these posts is that the people that write them don’t want to come up to crystal for the challenge, it’s because they want to be able to tell everyone they made crystal.

[Ransu]

Up vote for another “it’s SE’s fault that I can’t climb” post. I’ll give you the same answer I give everyone. If matchmaking, cheaters, job imbalance, win traders or any of the other hundred excuses that you all make when you can’t climb we’re actually as chronic as you say, then no one would be at Crystal. There’s roughly 5-6 hundred people at crystal tier on Crystal DC at the moment. Did we all cheat our way here with our dark web match-making mods?

It’s not the matchmaking, it’s you; and if you spent h a l f the time practicing as you did crying at your over-priced neon LED keyboard. you’d get out of bronze.

The saddest part about these posts is that the people that write them don’t want to come up to crystal for the challenge, it’s because they want to be able to tell everyone they made crystal.

I'm in the crystal rank. I climbed perfectly fine. Doesn't mean I don't have qualms with the system.

So you can kiss whatever dumb theory you had goodbye. You can come to aether any time and we can have a fun little duel if you want as well.



I'm not pretending to be some kind of pro, but don't equate peoples qualms with certain designs to be just "lawl you suck" because it doesn't work that way.

[Tobias_Azuryon]

Roles absolutely matter, but not "as much" if your team is "good."

An average team can be saved by a WHM/AST/WAR griefing the field. If you don't think there's a difference when two healers a tank and 2 dps are fighting 5 dps or 4 dps and a SGE then I have a bridge to sell you because that shit is rough man.

If matchmaking, cheaters, job imbalance, win traders or any of the other hundred excuses that you all make when you can’t climb we’re actually as chronic as you say, then no one would be at Crystal.

While I agree the player is partially to blame, now that the numbers have thinned (somewhat) it's not hard to understand that when queues were instant, things were new, and meta was undecided that it was "easier" to climb to said rank.

Yes skill plays a factor in getting points but i guarantee you it was a LOT easier to have even matchups when the kits were new/people didn't know the mode that well compared to now. By sheer math alone it's not hard to understand why people could be at Crystal and either not know how to play their given class.

I mean all the people that got past Platinum into Diamond, and then past Diamond into Crystal, leaves only the people who couldn't play good enough in the previous tiers meaning the pool is even more geared towards being set up with people who either never learned how to play their class or just don't know what they're doing.

[Themarvin]

won with everythign not being the meta before and often in streaks as well, hot headed melee dps that just insist on following my bard around while I shoot a focused target is fun... turn park him again... kill the other one some more.

Running off like that wont help your team, especially not when you are away from the crystal as well.