Simplify 1-2-3 combos and reduce button bloat

[Kevka]

Hey guys,

I noticed that the 1-2-3 Combos are really simplified in content in which you control NPCs, which makes alot of sense since you always use them in their respective progression.

In the case of Samurai or DK in which you have more than 1 finisher, it could be possible to lay the 1-2-3 combo with their respective finisher on seperate keys.

I wonder what you guys think about it, but some people I know would really appreciate this simplification of combos.

Best wishes, Kev Ka

[Valfreyja]

SAM players will scream at you that SAM isn't bloated. But it really is a chunky job for controller.

Reaper is just as bad.

We need some of these combo actions to automatically shift into their evolved version, the way PvP works, to kill out some of the bloat. The actions remain, with fewer buttons. I don't know anyone who could disagree with that.

It works in PvP, it should be 100% doable in the normal game stuff as well.

Samurai would benefit a lot from it.

Hakaze -> Jinpu(Gekko) / Shifu(Kasha) / Yukikazi

But any combo should be shifted to this. There is no longer a reason for it not to be. It's proven that it can work in PvP, after all.

[RayneBoemir]

Alternative take some classes need more buttons to push particularly healers.

[Rongway]

I noticed that the 1-2-3 Combos are really simplified in content in which you control NPCs

Because it's unreasonable to expect everyone who plays the game to understand the rotation of every job in the game just so you can complete story battles with borrowed characters.

which makes alot of sense since you always use them in their respective progression.

But it's reasonable to expect you to know, at least for your main job, how not to press the wrong button in your combo even when the buttons are separate. You wouldn't or shouldn't use them out of order, but real people do. Some people are that bad at one or more jobs, and this is a player problem, not a 1-2-3 too many buttons problem.

[Vencio]

I am with OP on this,

Only simplify abilities deemed necessary absolute without removing job’s identity,

What truly is the point in having over hoarded abilities that otherwise will clutter your screen?

I support this

[Ransu]

No, no, no, no and no. Stop asking for this trash. It literally wouldn't work for several jobs either like sam with meikyo would be completely borked.

[Shurrikhan]

No, no, no, no and no. Stop asking for this trash. It literally wouldn't work for several jobs either like sam with meikyo would be completely borked.

It works fine on SAM. It's almost as if Meikyo's interactions with Gekko and Kasha were changed precisely to remove the one barrier this had.

There's only one job on which it doesn't, Monk... because Monk doesn't even have any literal combos, let alone a "1-2-3"; it is therefore clearly not the subject of this suggestion.

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On the larger topic: I'd be fine with it being added as an option, much like the plugins available to PC players already, so long as it'd truly remain just that option. That means not filling the saved space back up with new abilities (which, to be fair, would probably only be synergy-less, use-on-CD, or "can you count to 3 -- 3 enemies!" AoE/ST choices, or clunky situational crap, anyways, if making an educated guess from the last 3 years' developments).

[Ransu]

It works fine on SAM. It's almost as if Meikyo's interactions with Gekko and Kasha were changed precisely to remove the one barrier this had.

There's only one job on which it doesn't, Monk... because Monk doesn't even have any literal combos, let alone a "1-2-3"; it is therefore clearly not the subject of this suggestion.

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On the larger topic: I'd be fine with it being added as an option, much like the plugins available to PC players already, so long as it'd truly remain just that option. That means not filling the saved space back up with new abilities (which, to be fair, would probably only be synergy-less, use-on-CD, or "can you count to 3 -- 3 enemies!" AoE/ST choices, or clunky situational crap, anyways, if making an educated guess from the last 3 years' developments).

It would not work fine on sam or drg for that matter. Stop asking for this feature. It would be boring as fuck and would literally ruin pve. A lot of people would quit the game if they ever do something as trash as this.

[Shurrikhan]

It would not work fine on sam or drg for that matter.

It very literally does. Already.

A consolidated SAM has a button each for Gekko, Kasha, Yukikaze, Oka, and Mangetsu. Popping Meikyo simply pushes those consolidated keys to the last steps of their respective combo.

Because of the Endwalker change to Meikyo, there is no point --ever-- in which you'd use anything other than the combo finishers to consume those three stacks of Meikyo. You will never use it on Hakaze. You will never use it on Fuga/Fuko. You will never use it on Jinpu. You will never use it on Shifu.


On Dragoon, one has a key for True - Vorpal - Full - Fang - Wheel and a key for True - Disembowel - Chaos - Wheel - Fang.

You therefore always have the ability to restart even your current ST combo. You lose absolutely no control compared to an unconsolidated system save the ability to hit a skill you hadn't comboed yet (which is literally never a worthwhile option). You save 5 buttons for no decrease in options.


I get it. You don't want this to be an official option for anyone. But perhaps stick to just that if you haven't a clue how consolidated combos actually work?

Stop asking for this feature. It would be boring as fuck and would literally ruin pve. A lot of people would quit the game if they ever do something as trash as this.

I'd be fine with it being added as an option

In no way have I promoted it being forced upon anyone and everyone.

[Arohk]

There's only one job on which it doesn't, Monk... because Monk doesn't even have any literal combos, let alone a "1-2-3"; it is therefore clearly not the subject of this suggestion.

It works for the 3 button AOE combo, you can put the 3 AOE skills into one makro and and spam that, they will roate as you change stance.