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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin- View Post
    Capes, more capes
    as a hyur, i know naught of such weakness.
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    Until we have Kaine and Zero outfits/hairstyles, I'm all for more DrakenNier crossover potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaws View Post
    I am absolutely and utterly puzzled at what people dislike about the Nier raids.
    Can't say what other people dislike about it, they have to answer that themselves. For me the most disappointing thing was the story, the second disappointing one the white mechanic markers on an almost white background. They're very hard to spot in time with bad eyesight.

    I haven't played any NieR game, just heard of it, but I was intrigued about Automata, because that postapocalyptic stuff is something I usually enjoy. That's why I was looking forward to that raid, hoping it would give me an idea of how the actual games are. And then the raid made me feel like a bystander who's only good for fighting. Whenever a question arised, none or only a very brief answer was given. All the NPCs from NieR were doing a "just trust me", "can't explain now, the bad ones attack" or "I'll explain once we're done". But nothing ever came apart from vague hints. The dialogues with the dwarves were funny where they pointed out that your replies didn't matter until that's what was actually how the raid in total treated me. We were supposed to follow blindly, only getting just as much information for a general overview why this raid exists, and when everything was over, everyone who could have added more depth to the story disappeared for the greater good. I suppose a lot of that made more sense or be like "but that is so obvious that x happened because of y and a is connected to b" for people who played NieR, but.. I haven't, and a collaboration should make the game enjoyable for fans of both franchises.

    Then the post-raid story started and again it had interesting points that looked like they would add more substance to the plot, with Konogg's messages and the suspiciously acting dwarf. But the strange things in the village were dropped and the end was an open end where most "what could've happened" scenarios painted an extremely grim future for Konogg, or no future at all. And endings like those feel unrewarding for me in general, but especially here considering that the game didn't even let us help at all and more or less killed Kanogg off, metaphorically or literally, who knows.
    Of course there are some open threads in FFXIV, too, but this is more about a storytelling where you like to have a few options for elaborating further or connecting some dots at a later point, like in a tabletop rpg. The most important things are addressed and explained eventually. This raid was a big puzzle with 10000 pieces of which you get 100 unconnected ones as an excuse for fighting.

    I guess there is one positive thing about it though: Afterwards I looked for the internet for answers to see if I might have missed anything due to my lack of knowledge and all I found were posts saying "That's just how NieR storytelling is". So the raid helped me indeed with my decision about playing NieR. Now I know I'll keep my distance.

    Hope that helped.
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  4. #64
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    Having things that aren't even FF be a crossover feels weird, and forced.

    Just patiently waiting for an actual FF7 crossover with the release of Remake Part 2
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    For me subjective/interpretative ending is lazy writing or the writer have no idea how to finish the story.
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  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azuri View Post
    Shame. Nier fanboys should be quarantined. You guys are simply invasive species.
    Better to put you in a box I think with how nasty you are ^^ The cross over as we see with mine and other posts brought people to the game, you would sooner push people away because you blindly hate.
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    The costume designs in NieR are gorgeous - especially in the mobile game.

    As much as I'd like the costumes or something similar to a lot of those (because I'm a glamour junkie) I'd be content for the Flight Unit mount we're eventually going to be getting. Loving the Pod mount more than I thought I would but I wouldn't wanna push my luck.

    Also, I kinda share the sentiments of others about how we've had a NieR overload - with the 2nd mount coming eventually I think I just want to get that Flight Unit and call it a day. I would love similar costumes in our game but maybe shy away from the NieR series.


    Quote Originally Posted by Azuri View Post
    Shame. Nier fanboys should be quarantined. You guys are simply invasive species.
    I am digging the trash garbage attitude replies of some people in this post. You people are thieves of joy.
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    Last edited by MaikoRaines; 05-10-2022 at 02:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaws View Post
    I am absolutely and utterly puzzled at what people dislike about the Nier raids. It makes zero sense to me.
    Meh.... I'll make it short i you don't mind.
    Statements :
    - NieR is a Collab
    - Is not related to FF whatsoever
    Reason of angerness :
    - Used the Alliance content for that collab

    I must point out that I consider Alliance content as "Main Side content", content that is recurring over the expansions (ARR included)
    I consider that collab content as bonus content, added on top of "regular/expected content"

    I also consider Alliance content as part of the whole story.

    So you add this all up, you know why I'm mad at SE because of this : using Alliance content for collab (= unrelated to FF).
    It's their game, sure, and I have to live with this disappointment.

    Hope this enlightened my reasons
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  9. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milus View Post
    For me subjective/interpretative ending is lazy writing or the writer have no idea how to finish the story.
    For me, people that think subjective/interpretative endings are lazy, need to project less and do some self reflection instead.
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  10. #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardyvald View Post
    I must point out that I consider Alliance content as "Main Side content", content that is recurring over the expansions (ARR included)I consider that collab content as bonus content, added on top of "regular/expected content"

    I also consider Alliance content as part of the whole story.
    Allow me to point out that Yoshi P himself said that this new Alliance raid (Myths of the Realm) is not an MSQ alliance itself and has no relevancy to the MSQ. While it does reflect on the lore and origins of the twelve, by that standard it's as "relevant" as the NieR collaboration mostly by your definition.

    But much like every other Alliance raid before and after, the bottom line is "they happened" and unless you're a super angry forum user that won't touch the NieR raid out of a weird-ass self implied principle, you can choose to ignore them at your leisure by that standard.

    Much like the people who announce their departures from social media, I don't exactly understand the need to announce vitriol towards a collaboration a majority found fun to do with a ton of rewards and fan service. Like... let them have fun with it.
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    Last edited by MaikoRaines; 05-10-2022 at 03:28 AM. Reason: I mean, if we're gonna split hairs....

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