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    Player Anhra's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gserpent View Post
    You don't understand the value of dots and attrition. You are wrong, but are clearly not willing to discard your biases in favor of facts. I do hope you stop costing your team games in the future.
    You are wasting your time with explaining Tinfoil hat wearers about how Fire should be used. Let mediocre People stay mediocre, that only gives more power to those who know how to use it efficiently, since the former lacks the brain capacity to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lymberey View Post
    "Very viable"? This is not SCH, applying DoT to whole enemy team is a whole lot of time and resources for weak DoT instead of disabling the whole team or help picking off key target one by one. You dont want them to use pots, you want them dead. I think i dont have to tell you what can prevents them from escaping.

    When it comes to most situations, Ice is the obvious the way to go, that is called "very viable". Don't hide behind "good BLM" blanket argument, every decent BLM on the planet already knew that Fire is weak and a huge opportunity cost. Its a huge choice to make, not a standalone skill.

    'Has some uses' doesn't mean "very viable".
    You're aware that it's very easy to switch from fire and ice and back while in LB, right? And that even outside of LB, you can still switch quickly and efficiently? A good BLM doesn't just sit in ice or fire all game, they're constantly swapping between them as the situation calls for. Ice is good for pushing, fire is better when there will be an extended fight. You should be using both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gserpent View Post
    You're aware that it's very easy to switch from fire and ice and back while in LB, right?
    You are aware that Fire and Ice will overwrite each other and BLM needs 3 stack for maximum output, right?
    Also, you are already aware that it breaks combo outside of LB, yes?

    Seems like you are completely unaware that good BLMs wont be switching back and forth, and for good reasons. Constantly swapping? thats how i play RDM though, never BLM.
    Yours is an idealistic view of what a good BLM should be based on wrong idea.
    It was very painful to read.

    Man... i dont even know how to burn you for not even know the base job mechanic, and I am a Black Mage......
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    Last edited by Lymberey; 05-14-2022 at 11:02 PM.
    In case you are wondering why I have a different name, E and R are not very far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anhra View Post
    You are wasting your time with explaining Tinfoil hat wearers about how Fire should be used. Let mediocre People stay mediocre, that only gives more power to those who know how to use it efficiently, since the former lacks the brain capacity to understand.
    The top blm players don't even have fire on their hotbars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gserpent View Post
    You're aware that it's very easy to switch from fire and ice and back while in LB, right? And that even outside of LB, you can still switch quickly and efficiently? A good BLM doesn't just sit in ice or fire all game, they're constantly swapping between them as the situation calls for. Ice is good for pushing, fire is better when there will be an extended fight. You should be using both.
    No, good BLMs do not constantly switch between Ice and Fire.

    A 3k potency dot is never a better option than a 3s root unless your objective is feeling good about your total damage numbers after you lose the match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lymberey View Post
    You are aware that Fire and Ice will overwrite each other and BLM needs 3 stack for maximum output, right?
    Also, you are already aware that it breaks combo outside of LB, yes?

    Seems like you are completely unaware that good BLMs wont be switching back and forth, and for good reasons. Constantly swapping? thats how i play RDM though, never BLM.
    Yours is an idealistic view of what a good BLM should be based on wrong idea.
    It was very painful to read.

    Man... i dont even know how to burn you for not even know the base job mechanic, and I am a Black Mage......
    You can switch very quickly with instant casts under LB and then apply the effects with Superflare.

    There are plenty of cases where rolling a 3k dot on the entire enemy team for several ticks is going to be more valuable than a root.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gserpent View Post
    You can switch very quickly with instant casts under LB and then apply the effects with Superflare.

    There are plenty of cases where rolling a 3k dot on the entire enemy team for several ticks is going to be more valuable than a root.
    If your paradox is on CD you're just wasting a superflare at that point. Swapping elements makes you lose your stacks and even with a 3 stack the dot is simply not worth it compared to stunning the entire team and stopping any and all damage going out to your team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gserpent View Post
    You can switch very quickly with instant casts under LB and then apply the effects with Superflare.

    There are plenty of cases where rolling a 3k dot on the entire enemy team for several ticks is going to be more valuable than a root.
    You are embarassing yourself in front of Black Mages. Please stop.
    BLM can switch very quickly during LB, yes, doesn't mean its good or they should. That is a newbie mistake when learning the job.

    I will let you in on a secret (i guess?), Superflare only has 2 charges during LB. Wasting one on Fire simply means that BLM lost several opportunities from using two on Ice, which is far more powerful than Fire ever could in only 1/3 of the time Fire takes.

    And let me confirm an important fact, Deep Freeze is not actually a 3s root, its a 3s stun.
    I will assume you are already and fully aware of what stun is, what it does, and how valuable it is. You play WHM afterall.
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    Last edited by Lymberey; 05-15-2022 at 06:20 PM.
    In case you are wondering why I have a different name, E and R are not very far.

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    Player Anhra's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lymberey View Post
    You are embarassing yourself in front of Black Mages. Please stop.
    Says the one who cant figure out how to use Fire efficiently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anhra View Post
    Says the one who cant figure out how to use Fire efficiently.
    I think I just talked about 'one of the reasons to waste time and resources on Fire' on the page 4. It was a reply to your "NIN hit like a wet noodle" too.

    Hmmm.....
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    Last edited by Lymberey; 05-15-2022 at 08:42 PM.
    In case you are wondering why I have a different name, E and R are not very far.

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