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  1. #41
    Player Gserpent's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lymberey View Post
    NIN is far from hitting like a wet noodle.... and they are far from being squishy while being very elusive, and destructive.
    I can assure you, BLM cannot overpower NIN without help. BLM could fend off a NIN for a while, but in 1v1 scenario, it is inevitable.
    I know, I tried.

    NIN stealth getting screwed over by server ticks is pretty much a 1st world problem. At least NIN gives BLM a reason to waste time and resource on Fire spell.
    Fire is very viable. Dotting an entire enemy team applies a lot of pressure and "wastes" mana or forces them to completely disengage to go drink a potion, which gives your team plenty of space to push in. Being a good BLM is recognizing when you should be in ice and when you should be in fire, and it's a tricky thing to get down pat. Ice should generally be your default state, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gserpent View Post
    Fire is very viable. Dotting an entire enemy team applies a lot of pressure and "wastes" mana or forces them to completely disengage to go drink a potion, which gives your team plenty of space to push in. Being a good BLM is recognizing when you should be in ice and when you should be in fire, and it's a tricky thing to get down pat. Ice should generally be your default state, though.
    If you're using fire you're wasting everyones time. The mass CC from ice is way way more valuable.
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    Player Gserpent's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    If you're using fire you're wasting everyones time. The mass CC from ice is way way more valuable.
    No, not necessarily. Please try reading what I wrote before responding.
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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gserpent View Post
    No, not necessarily. Please try reading what I wrote before responding.

    I read it and you're wrong. Fire is a waste of time. Ice and fire do the exact same damage and the dot is nowhere near as beneficial as the stun. If fire attacks actually did more damage I'd agree, but it doesn't.
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    Player Gserpent's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    I read it and you're wrong. Fire is a waste of time. Ice and fire do the exact same damage and the dot is nowhere near as beneficial as the stun. If fire attacks actually did more damage I'd agree, but it doesn't.
    You don't understand the value of dots and attrition. You are wrong, but are clearly not willing to discard your biases in favor of facts. I do hope you stop costing your team games in the future.
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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gserpent View Post
    You don't understand the value of dots and attrition. You are wrong, but are clearly not willing to discard your biases in favor of facts. I do hope you stop costing your team games in the future.
    I win more than I lose so *shrug* Seems like if I ever come across you in a match it will be a free win.
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    From what i've been reading is most melee job and Rdm are to strong.. Here what going to happen

    *SE nerfs everyone listed above*
    *Everyone get angry..again*
    *YoshiP say sorry and fix but makes Black mage do everything*
    *Everyone becomes a black mage but me*
    The end
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    Vatom Basilisk
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSkyway View Post
    From what i've been reading is most melee job and Rdm are to strong.. Here what going to happen

    *SE nerfs everyone listed above*
    *Everyone get angry..again*
    *YoshiP say sorry and fix but makes Black mage do everything*
    *Everyone becomes a black mage but me*
    The end
    Other then the whole fix Blm I believe it

    Also stop asking for NIN nerf please they don't need it (if anything make there LB only chain once then ill say ok)

    Whm imp needed Fixed their LB is fine its just easy to line up needs a cast time should be faster then SaM LB

    Mch is is solid other then the whole I can't choose what gun I use I mean bruh giv me a dump button or a switch button

    Rdm AOE silence is a bit much the bind is ok but silence is a strong CC might need a fix there

    Im kinda mixed on GnB when they work they work well when they dont its a big floop

    I think WAR is a S tier but thats just me they have a solid kit

    SaM is Meh more of a noob stomper then anything was ment to expoit grouping but now they got nerf can't do that
    and with everyone now knowing how they work or fearing them they get squashed very often and no real 1v1 potential
    Please dont try to rob them of their last use

    DrG are WAAAAAAAAYYYYYY too tanky

    Drk 2 stacks of Blackest Night would be all i ask
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    Free the Glam!, Duel Pistols (Gunner)?

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    I joke Blm as that his job.

    I like add Bard need a damage increase on the glow abilities at less though more the better. I feel I can burst everything into a melee and just not kill them. Everything on cd and they didn't heal. Oh and They heal so I need run away. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gserpent View Post
    Fire is very viable. Dotting an entire enemy team applies a lot of pressure and "wastes" mana or forces them to completely disengage to go drink a potion, which gives your team plenty of space to push in. Being a good BLM is recognizing when you should be in ice and when you should be in fire, and it's a tricky thing to get down pat. Ice should generally be your default state, though.
    "Very viable"? This is not SCH, applying DoT to whole enemy team is a whole lot of time and resources for weak DoT instead of disabling the whole team or help picking off key target one by one. You dont want them to use pots, you want them dead. I think i dont have to tell you what can prevents them from escaping.

    When it comes to most situations, Ice is the obvious way to go, that is called "very viable". Don't hide behind "good BLM" blanket argument, every decent BLM on the planet already knew that Fire is weak and a huge opportunity cost. Its a huge choice to make, not a standalone skill.

    'Has some uses' doesn't mean "very viable".
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    Last edited by Lymberey; 05-15-2022 at 06:47 AM.

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