Some classes have become too overpowered

[Nanne]

I'm more forgiving for MCH because it's such a very tiny instance where it could happen.
I don't even usually have it proc and I MCH regularly.

I feel like SAM and their Chiten + LB combo is brutal. You can pretty much all wipe
because you accidentally hit the SAM or something. That one is way worse imo.

RNG kill still shouldn't exist and SAM LB should be countered by Guard like everything else. There is no point that SAM can freely get a kill against any jobs that place things on ground or have delayed "sure" damage like SGE,DRG,GNB, SMN etc. that literally cannot press certain buttons if SAM has LB up or they can instantly retaliate. I see so many SAM just instantly turn fights into 5v4 when they just tip their toes into SGE, DRG or GNB LB

[Jybril]

RNG kill still shouldn't exist.

I don't disagree and I never said it should exist.
I just personally do not find the 3% Chainsaw OP compared to
SAM's LB that can delete the entire team if you accidentally hit 'em.

[Absurdity]

I'm more forgiving for MCH because it's such a very tiny percentage where it could happen.
I don't even usually have it proc and I MCH regularly.

I feel like SAM and their Chiten + LB combo is brutal. You can pretty much all wipe at full
because you accidentally hit the SAM or something. That one is way worse imo.

Also NIN can kill you if you're lower than 50% your HP up to 3 people.
I mean there's much worse out there than MCH but yeah lol.

I do agree. While the instant kill on MCH still shouldn't exist, simply because this shouldn't be a thing in pvp in general, the nukes on NIN and SAM are a lot more frequent.

Ninja feels frustrating to die to because in most cases you can't even see it coming, you just drop from a healthy 50% to instantly dead.

And Zantetsuken shouldn't work on AOEs that just happen to touch the SAM.
I would be completely fine with the instant kill if it were simply down to you messing up, because you attacked the SAM while their counter was up, not because you happen to hit someone else and your skill just happens to do aoe damage. With how limited the toolkits are you sometimes simply can't not use that skill.

[Aizuh]

GUN BREAKER needs a lb buff to contend with war stun on impact+ guard break for gnb with cc immunity similar to war's lb and i'm satisfied

[Prrringles]

Before I begin, MCH does not oneshot anyone. OP is straight out lying here.

MCH overpowered? Do we play the same game? This is a serious issue of "git gud". First of all, MCH has 0 escape abilities. If you are focussed, you are dead. Chainsaw is on a rotation with 3 other abilities and is only a 3% chance (that's 3 kills in 100 hits...). It is debatable if that should exist but is nowhere near overpowered lol. Then their LB is overpowered? Really? You know you get a big fat marker on you right? Just pop your shield when you see it... It also "only" deals 36k dmg so if you top yourself up it will not kill you. That's ALL. No stun or silence PLUS dmg like some other jobs, or even insta kill. HOW is MCH overpowered?

MCH is A tier at best and it does not even compete with any of the "meta" jobs (RDM, DRG, SAM, NIN, WHM, (WAR)).

[Lustre]

Chainsaw can one shot. But I agree, mch is not overpowered. Blast charge is incredibly underwhelming. It's like charging your gun to fire a cotton ball at somebody. "Highly mobile ranged class" except you have to walk everywhere and have absolutely 0 movement abilities. Lol

[VulpinusRex]

MCH has 0 escape abilities. If you are focused, you are dead.

That's applicable for the majority of the jobs in PvP. There's very few that have the escapability in their kit, and if you are focused and chain CC'd you are dead regardless of your job.

MCH isn't overpowered. But the Chainsaw one-shot isn't something that should exist, period. There's no skill to it, there's no counterplay to it (even though there's a lot of things in this mode currently that have no counterplay), there's no 'fair' feeling to it. It's an RNG insta-kill. It's just not fun. Is it overpowered? No. But it's not good game design.

[geminipestdeath]

GUN BREAKER needs a lb buff to contend with war stun on impact+ guard break for gnb with cc immunity similar to war's lb and i'm satisfied

Honestly, Gunbreaker's Mitigation/Heals shouldn't be relegated to what you're fighting. Makes zero sense to have to knowingly switch targets (assuming that the one you're looking for is even available) to do your job as a Tank, especially given how fast and intense CC matches are. Even then, the effects granted by that ability are contrary to what you're fighting a lot of the time. Don't need mitigation to deal with a tank and you don't need a high potency attack to deal with DPS.

That and frankly Gunbreaker just has too many buttons - which is hilariously ironic, really. Continuation is great and all but trying to double weave continuation and recuperate is too much to deal with.

It's LB does need some work. It's powerful if you can get the full use out of it but having to wait what is effectively 5s to get maximum value of it when there is so much CC that can just halt it is kinda pointless.

[Big_Bap]

PLEASE NERF CARPENTER!!!!11!

[Mandudez]

Before I begin, MCH does not oneshot anyone. OP is straight out lying here.

MCH overpowered? Do we play the same game? This is a serious issue of "git gud". First of all, MCH has 0 escape abilities. If you are focussed, you are dead. Chainsaw is on a rotation with 3 other abilities and is only a 3% chance (that's 3 kills in 100 hits...). It is debatable if that should exist but is nowhere near overpowered lol. Then their LB is overpowered? Really? You know you get a big fat marker on you right? Just pop your shield when you see it... It also "only" deals 36k dmg so if you top yourself up it will not kill you. That's ALL. No stun or silence PLUS dmg like some other jobs, or even insta kill. HOW is MCH overpowered?

MCH is A tier at best and it does not even compete with any of the "meta" jobs (RDM, DRG, SAM, NIN, WHM, (WAR)).

As a human with above average reaction time MCH can combo to insta kill you with 2 button presses far to easy. Any combo that you can not humanly react to counter might as well be a one shot.