Basic Competence

[Avenger]

Backing up the idea that this is actually Crystal Conflict, not just KO the enemy. That checkpoint matters! People make the same misconception in the Frontline modes and that's why they lose. Two teams will get stuck fighting each other while the third picks up the big targets.

Ignoring objectives and fighting for third place. It is the Frontline way.

In FL I always assume there will be a group of players who are just going for the hand of mercy achievement and nothing else.

For CC I kind of like OP's idea of a tutorial mode like hall of the novice for pvp - I would also add a skirmish mode against NPCs for learning and practicing jobs without ruining games for actual human teammates.

I like how so many people are playing PvP now. I don't think it has ever been this popular in the history of FFXIV. I understand the pain of CC and FL at the moment though, and I have my own nostalgia for pre-6.1 Frontline and especially Hidden Gorge.

But nothing can be as one-sided as Frontline was before they changed to freelancers (days of Maelstrom vs. Immortal Flames on Primal DC.)

[Gserpent]

Ignoring objectives and fighting for third place. It is the Frontline way.

You and they are both wrong, though. Killing the enemy is the core element of all PvP modes.

Killing enemes in Frontline: gives the killer +10 Battle High, and all assists +2 Battle High; reduces enemy tactical points by 8 (except Seal Rock); increases your team's tactical points by 8 (except Seal Rock); and of course removes that enemy player from the field for a time. They will not contribute damage or healing or buffs and they will not generate limit break. They will also have to ride back to wherever the fights are.

Killing enemies in Rival Wings: contributes to stacking your Soaring and Flying High buff; denies that enemy the ability to damage or protect mechs or other objectives; prevents that player from gathering or spending CE on mechs; and as before removes them from the field, and requires them to ride back to the fights after they respawn.

Killing enemies in Crystalline Conflict: increases their death respawn timer by 1 second per death; and removes that player from the game for an extended period of time, during which they cannot participate in fights and do not generate Limit Break. Additionally, several classes' Limit Breaks end immediately on their death, including Scholar, Summoner, Bard (as well as Bard's mundane songs), Astrologian, and Sage, resulting in them being high priority targets if they have activated their Limit Break.

The fact that people do not generate Limit Break while dead, and they stay dead for longer each time they are killed, is an enormous element to winning Crystalline Conflict. Even just 12 seconds is an *eternity* when the maps are so small.

Denying enemy Limit Break gauge while you continue to build yours is literally going to win you tons of games. It's incredibly obvious if you have two of the same class in the game. If I pop Seraph around the same time as the enemy SCH, but we assassinate him while I kite and live, I will have Seraph again *long* before he will, which will give our team an enormous advantage in the next big fight.



Fixation on objectives over killing the enemy is the biggest noob trap in XIV's PvP systems. If you kill the enemy, you get the objectives for free. Because they can't contest them.