Thread: 6.1: Deep reflection to the Devs

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This is such a contradiction of the meaning of the term though. Mmo means massive multiplayer online. Why would you come to a multiplayer online game and want to play alone? That’s like going to a pizza place and ordering a taco lol. Single player rpg’s exists, many of them. Those are available but i’ll never understand people who complain or come into the game wanting it to be a solo experience. It’s an MMO. Not just an rpg.

Everyone gets so hung up on the MM part, even the SP folks they're trying to entice. The early 2000s called and want their gripe back.

Do you like to shame people for eating at restaurants alone as well? It's actually quite nice to be able to just sit there and enjoy your meal with no distractions. This isn't all that different. For all intents and purposes, I've been playing this game alone even before all this duty support stuff. I've done it for years. I can get so much done and never have to get into any real conversations with people and just enjoy the game. I also want to get comfortable with the game before I try anything that might require more time with people. What I do has little to no bearing on you or most people. The same goes in the reverse. What's the actual harm in letting single-player fans in the game? Given the chance, I think many might consider dipping their toes into the multiplayer side of things, especially while running around this world.

Originally Posted by Deveryn

Everyone gets so hung up on the MM part, even the SP folks they're trying to entice. The early 2000s called and want their gripe back.

Do you like to shame people for eating at restaurants alone as well? It's actually quite nice to be able to just sit there and enjoy your meal with no distractions. This isn't all that different. For all intents and purposes, I've been playing this game alone even before all this duty support stuff. I've done it for years. I can get so much done and never have to get into any real conversations with people and just enjoy the game. I also want to get comfortable with the game before I try anything that might require more time with people. What I do has little to no bearing on you or most people. The same goes in the reverse. What's the actual harm in letting single-player fans in the game? Given the chance, I think many might consider dipping their toes into the multiplayer side of things, especially while running around this world.

hey!
I watch movies alone xD
I can actually focus that way

Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

Because this isnt early 2000s anymore.

The gaming landscape and playerbases have changed, a lot more people prefer to play mmorpgs solo.

Single player games cannot ever suffice because your character is dead and gone when the game ends, people dont see your character, the grind is limited.

Meanwhile in mmorpgs you have a never ending story, never ending grind, you get new cool things after few months to grind and get, your character will forever exist as long as the game goes and other people in the world can see them, and you also have never ending power progression since it resets every few months, it keeps you busy like no single player game will ever achieve.

More importantly you dont have to mentally exhaust yourself dealing with certain idiotic or drama filled statics and other people or limit yourself to specific raid hours, you can just relax and enjoy the game. Plus you dont have to suffer doing the mechanics flawlessly and seeing someone else screw it up for the 5th time causing a wipe.

Only reason i bother with high end group content these day is because i am FORCED TO because of the gear rewards, otherwise I would only touch raids for the occasional fun, not something i would do often.

Many of us enjoy the "competition" of mmorpgs in terms of performance, but we are not interested in the actual people, we want people to exist, but we dont want to deal with them or chat, they exist to improve our game experience, nothing more.

Well said imo

Originally Posted by Deveryn

Everyone gets so hung up on the MM part, even the SP folks they're trying to entice. The early 2000s called and want their gripe back.

Do you like to shame people for eating at restaurants alone as well? It's actually quite nice to be able to just sit there and enjoy your meal with no distractions. This isn't all that different. For all intents and purposes, I've been playing this game alone even before all this duty support stuff. I've done it for years. I can get so much done and never have to get into any real conversations with people and just enjoy the game. I also want to get comfortable with the game before I try anything that might require more time with people. What I do has little to no bearing on you or most people. The same goes in the reverse. What's the actual harm in letting single-player fans in the game? Given the chance, I think many might consider dipping their toes into the multiplayer side of things, especially while running around this world.

There’s a difference between a restaurant and an mmo. Restaurants typically aren’t advertised as a group thing at least not any i’ve gone to. The problem with the single player pushing is that it affects the multiplayer content. We saw this with the second ex trial this expansion where to make it fitted for trusts, they had to simplify many of the mechanics. There’s also the problem of resource cost. The resources put towards the single player pushing affects the time and resources that could be giving other content. It’s not free, and it affects everyone.

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

There’s a difference between a restaurant and an mmo. Restaurants typically aren’t advertised as a group thing at least not any i’ve gone to. The problem with the single player pushing is that it affects the multiplayer content. We saw this with the second ex trial this expansion where to make it fitted for trusts, they had to simplify many of the mechanics. There’s also the problem of resource cost. The resources put towards the single player pushing affects the time and resources that could be giving other content. It’s not free, and it affects everyone.

Excuse me? The second EX trial? Either way, that's a poor example. Even the normal mode was very difficult for people to grasp. I remember explaining her job changes multiple times and people were still just -derp-. There's so much that people playing right now could learn by running trust, but they're basically just sitting there hitting buttons for actions they haven't read. I know this because some actually admitted it.

About the whole singleplayerification of FFXIV, Imo this is not an issue at all, lots of people have tight schedules and cannot progress MSQ if they can only play around dead hours, having an alternate mean of completing these dungeons is not a bad thing.
One could say FF is one of those MMOs where you can easily be a loner outside of some specific content, which gives greater freedom, yadayada yada.. Most importantly, no servers are kept up forever, just take a look at TERA shutdown, I'd much prefer being able to enjoy/replay FFXIV in some form even as a singleplayer/co-op experience than have the rug dragged from under us entirely and be left with nothing. Try to think of it as far-future proofing if anything.

The interesting thing about the whole Kaiten removal from SAM is, that this isn't the first time Squeenix pulls off a stunt like that. During ShB Launch, they straight up removed not only Heavy, Shadowflare, Miasma 1&2, from SCH, but ALSO Energy Drain at first. The Community got so mad during that time, that they immediately returned Energy Drain 2 Weeks later.


About the thing of turning this Game into single player mode, it has more drawbacks than actual benefits, allow me to elaborate.

FFXIV is, as much as Squeenix likes to state otherwise, a MMO first and a RPG second by DESIGN, and while you "can" run Dungeons with freaking Bots, it defeats the main purpose of the Genre, which IS social interaction. Content needs to be oversimplified in order for Bots to work, since the moment they hit a wall of progress (because they die), youre done for.

Secondly, it takes ALOT of ressources, which would have been better spent elsewhere. I think its quite unfair that Squeenix decides to inpliment Bots, while ignoring core issues like the bland Job design, undertuned Dungeons and Raids, useless Levequests (despite explaining specific Mechanics, almost NONE of those ever happen outside of said Levequest) and Content that has simply being forgotten, like Chocobo Racing and Lord of Verminion.


But maybe the Trust System will fix it, by inplimenting Blockchain into it, so you gotta buy your NFT for it first.

Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

I think we should return to reality cuz I am pretty certain people dont do high end content cuz they find the process of coordination fun or the process of teaching people fun.

People usually want to beat an encounter, that is the goal, the longer it takes the more difficult or more of an achievement it seems to be yet in reality the only reason people dont clear it as quickly is because all groups often have 1-3 slower or underperforming members, which if we are honest, people often get fed up with when they keep wiping on the same mechanics. So again, this worshiping of "coordination" does not seem to reflect reality because people absolutely do not enjoy doing well and wiping anyway cuz player no #6 failed the mechanic again.

Solo content is the same situation but reversed, because it is cleared relatively quickly without 100 pulls most relatively skilled people feel it is easy, the reality is, higher difficulty solo content is just as easy as high end group content. High end group content simply feels harder due to the illusion of difficulty created by other people's failures aka the thing I said you have no control over.

As someone who actually does high-end content: all Ultimates, Baldesion and Delubrum Savage, multiple week 1 Savage kills, and currently on P5 prog in DSR...

This cannot be further from the truth.

My most enjoyable experiences in the game has been raiding with friends.

I have joined the game pretty late, end of ShB. Though reading how Square has been simplifying the jobs and how they recently hit Samurai with 6.1 has been very un-nerfing... I am the only one, " Click Here " <- if you're curious.

FFXIV made more accessible? great. At the cost of making everything easier? no. It's unhealthy for the players and the game. Skill-Floor can be lowered to make barrier of entry easier to pick up jobs. Though I disagree if it comes at the cost of lowering the Skill-Ceiling, alienating hardcore players.

Currently you can pick up any job, do any content below Extreme, and know absolutely nothing about how to play the job correctly - press some buttons randomly - and you can complete whatever you set out to complete yes below Extreme.

Overcomplication of the game does nothing in the long run. It makes Square cater to an audience and do the following by encouraging players

• To not learn how to play the game
• To not learn how to play jobs correctly
• To be irresponsible of their actions in content
• To become worse and worse players

And from there on out, where do we go? spiral downwards and lowering the quality of the players we have, complaining about not being able to do content because Square encouraged players to become worse so that we get worse content? I don't see a better FFXIV out of this.

Why vouch for just one side of the player base audience over another?
At the cost of compromising another player base audience?

Why not vouch for the option of appealing to both?
At the compromise of neither?